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Not if the police prevent enough (of certain) people from voting. They could simply give all the residents of certain areas the impression that they will be ar

Not if the police prevent enough (of certain) people from voting. They could simply give all the residents of certain areas the impression that they will be arrested (or blacklisted/long-term intimidation) if they show up to vote. Also, in Alabama if you're convicted of one of the following felonies you're not allowed to vote: "Murder, rape, sodomy, sexual abuse, sexual torture, enticing a child to enter a vehicle for immoral purposes, soliciting a child by computer, production or possession of obscene matter, parents or guardians permitting children to engage in obscene matter, possesion of child pornography with intent to distribute."

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
So basically just murder and criminal sexual conduct? That seems like a very short and reasonable list considering that damn near everything can be a felony if the prosecutor wants it to be. Edit: And I would like to point out that nowhere did I say I agreed with or endorsed their enumeration of what sort of sexual conduct isn't ok.
- skrebbel 5y ago
  Wait, doesn't sodomy mean buttfucking? Is that a felony in the US?
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    Fourteen states still had laws criminalizing it when the laws were ruled unconstitutional in 2003. So no it's not a felony, but the law as written makes it appear to be one. Though Wikipedia says Alabama's law was officially repealed in 2019.
  - nobody9999 5y ago
    >Wait, doesn't sodomy mean buttfucking? Is that a felony in the US? IIUC, "sodomy" is penetrative sex that isn't penile/vaginal[0]. [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/sodomy https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/sodomy
- 0xcde4c3db 5y ago
  It's not just murder and sexual conduct: > production or possession of obscene matter The test for what qualifies as "obscene" is very subjective [1], and represents one of the remaining (and oft-criticized) exceptions to the First Amendment. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    I haven't read Alabama's statue or case law but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say guess that run of the mill porn isn't what they have in mind and you're unlikely to be prosecuted in any US state for content that can be lawfully created in any other US state.
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    - monocasa 5y ago
      The obscene materials law affects the sale of items like vibrators or revealing clothing intended to be of a sexual nature (in addition to all porn). As of 2016 it had survived federal appeals, but hadn't made it to the supreme court yet. My county in GA has a similar law based on similar legal ground, and was blocked for being challenged by the Alabama challenges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act https://patch.com/georgia/sandysprings/sex-toy-ban-upheld-sandy-springs https://patch.com/georgia/sandysprings/sex-toy-ban-upheld-sa...
Animats 5y ago
Not if the police prevent enough (of certain) people from voting. They could simply give all the residents of certain areas the impression that they will be arrested (or blacklisted/long-term intimidation) if they show up to vote. That's going to be the new normal in some states. Florida's governor is setting up a unit of special armed election cops.[1] There's a broad effort in red states to make sure only the Right People get to vote.[2] [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-pushes-election-police-force/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-pushes-... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/voter-suppression-restrictive-voting-bills/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/voter-suppression-re...

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

So basically just murder and criminal sexual conduct? That seems like a very short and reasonable list considering that damn near everything can be a felony if the prosecutor wants it to be. Edit: And I would like to point out that nowhere did I say I agreed with or endorsed their enumeration of what sort of sexual conduct isn't ok.

skrebbel 5y ago
Wait, doesn't sodomy mean buttfucking? Is that a felony in the US?
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  Fourteen states still had laws criminalizing it when the laws were ruled unconstitutional in 2003. So no it's not a felony, but the law as written makes it appear to be one. Though Wikipedia says Alabama's law was officially repealed in 2019.
- nobody9999 5y ago
  >Wait, doesn't sodomy mean buttfucking? Is that a felony in the US? IIUC, "sodomy" is penetrative sex that isn't penile/vaginal[0]. [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/sodomy https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/sodomy
0xcde4c3db 5y ago
It's not just murder and sexual conduct: > production or possession of obscene matter The test for what qualifies as "obscene" is very subjective [1], and represents one of the remaining (and oft-criticized) exceptions to the First Amendment. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  I haven't read Alabama's statue or case law but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say guess that run of the mill porn isn't what they have in mind and you're unlikely to be prosecuted in any US state for content that can be lawfully created in any other US state.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - monocasa 5y ago
    The obscene materials law affects the sale of items like vibrators or revealing clothing intended to be of a sexual nature (in addition to all porn). As of 2016 it had survived federal appeals, but hadn't made it to the supreme court yet. My county in GA has a similar law based on similar legal ground, and was blocked for being challenged by the Alabama challenges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act https://patch.com/georgia/sandysprings/sex-toy-ban-upheld-sandy-springs https://patch.com/georgia/sandysprings/sex-toy-ban-upheld-sa...

Animats 5y ago

Not if the police prevent enough (of certain) people from voting. They could simply give all the residents of certain areas the impression that they will be arrested (or blacklisted/long-term intimidation) if they show up to vote. That's going to be the new normal in some states. Florida's governor is setting up a unit of special armed election cops.[1] There's a broad effort in red states to make sure only the Right People get to vote.[2] [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-pushes-election-police-force/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-pushes-... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/voter-suppression-restrictive-voting-bills/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/voter-suppression-re...