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> What's the current state of the telephony stack for Linux? Are there competing projects? For the most complete project, what is missing WRT the pinephone? Wha

> What's the current state of the telephony stack for Linux? Are there competing projects? For the most complete project, what is missing WRT the pinephone? What isn't possible to do on it currently-- say, by fucking around in a terminal window-- that must be developed for pinephone be considered to have an API suitable for a cheap, modern smart phone? I can't answer this from a technical perspective. I can answer this from a user experience perspective. I use a pinephone as a daily driver. I mainly communicate with people via SMS/MMS. The current state of things is this: Ususally SMS/MMS works, but sometimes it will stop working for a few weeks. Then I have to track down the magic AT commands I need to send to the modem to make it work again. The modem constantly disappears and reappears. This happens about 10 times a day. It will disappear for sometimes hours at a time before coming back. During this time, I cannot receive SMS/MMS or phone calls. Phone calls work, but call waiting and three way calling do not. And I forgot to mention, MMS doesn't work just yet. I have to compile a (fairly stable) MMS application from source because distros are waiting to ship it until it gets a "stable" release. In general, I would not yet recommend a Pinephone to anyone whoever relies on their phone for anything mission critical.

wpietri 5y ago
Holy moly! I'm amazed you put up with that. I would hardly call my SMS messages mission critical. But it'd be a nightmare for me to be constantly making excuses to friends about why I was appearing to ignore them.
Jach 5y ago
Does Pinephone use the same stuff that Purism has been building or is there a standalone SMS/MMS app now? It was always my impression that they've been piggybacking (and good!) but the progress rate from Purism leaves a lot to be desired. I was rather surprised they were building SMS/MMS stuff on top of libpurple, like I never considered the idea of using pidgin (technically Chatty for them) for text messaging even if it makes a sort of sense. Last I heard in March, MMS was so broken that if you even just received an MMS message, it would corrupt that contact and you couldn't send or receive anything anymore from them. One 'solution' at the time seemed to include trashing the .purple/chatty/db/ folder and restarting phosh. I know someone who has both phones so I've been hearing some fun stories of brokenness, but I've yet to receive my own librem.
- bluGill 5y ago
  PinePhone does nothing. The different software stacks are a different story. You can several different phone software stacks on the phone, one is Purism's and so of course it does, but I'm not sure about the other choices.
- seba_dos1 5y ago
  > I was rather surprised they were building SMS/MMS stuff on top of libpurple Chatty does not use libpurple for SMS for a while now (and never did for MMS). > MMS was so broken It wasn't even enabled by default, as it was explicitly marked as experimental until recently.
  - Jach 5y ago
    Ah, skimming https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/issues/30 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/issues/30 I see that the incomplete work of integrating mms with purple-mm-sms and then eventually with chatty was stopped. Where I heard from was initially a Purism employee testing MMS, but searching around the issue was probably related to this: https://forums.puri.sm/t/librem-5-can-no-longer-receive-sms-messages-or-calls/12902 https://forums.puri.sm/t/librem-5-can-no-longer-receive-sms-...
0xedd 5y ago

wpietri 5y ago

Holy moly! I'm amazed you put up with that. I would hardly call my SMS messages mission critical. But it'd be a nightmare for me to be constantly making excuses to friends about why I was appearing to ignore them.

Jach 5y ago

Does Pinephone use the same stuff that Purism has been building or is there a standalone SMS/MMS app now? It was always my impression that they've been piggybacking (and good!) but the progress rate from Purism leaves a lot to be desired. I was rather surprised they were building SMS/MMS stuff on top of libpurple, like I never considered the idea of using pidgin (technically Chatty for them) for text messaging even if it makes a sort of sense. Last I heard in March, MMS was so broken that if you even just received an MMS message, it would corrupt that contact and you couldn't send or receive anything anymore from them. One 'solution' at the time seemed to include trashing the .purple/chatty/db/ folder and restarting phosh. I know someone who has both phones so I've been hearing some fun stories of brokenness, but I've yet to receive my own librem.

bluGill 5y ago
PinePhone does nothing. The different software stacks are a different story. You can several different phone software stacks on the phone, one is Purism's and so of course it does, but I'm not sure about the other choices.
seba_dos1 5y ago
> I was rather surprised they were building SMS/MMS stuff on top of libpurple Chatty does not use libpurple for SMS for a while now (and never did for MMS). > MMS was so broken It wasn't even enabled by default, as it was explicitly marked as experimental until recently.
- Jach 5y ago
  Ah, skimming https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/issues/30 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/issues/30 I see that the incomplete work of integrating mms with purple-mm-sms and then eventually with chatty was stopped. Where I heard from was initially a Purism employee testing MMS, but searching around the issue was probably related to this: https://forums.puri.sm/t/librem-5-can-no-longer-receive-sms-messages-or-calls/12902 https://forums.puri.sm/t/librem-5-can-no-longer-receive-sms-...

0xedd 5y ago