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Setting aside tradition/ritual, which I don't think should count for nothing, I can think of many objective metrics on which alcohol is superior: - Flavor - F

Setting aside tradition/ritual, which I don't think should count for nothing, I can think of many objective metrics on which alcohol is superior: - Flavor - Fills the stomach (can be a disadvantage too, but is advantageous in some situations, e.g. while waiting for dinner to be served at a party) - Doesn't consume itself (i.e you can set down a drink and come back to it 30 minutes later) - Easy to consume a small amount without substantially altering your mental state. - No fire/burn risk - Doesn't generate smoke/odor, which is unpleasant for other people and gets in your clothes/furniture

thebean11 5y ago
How can flavor possibly considered an objective metric?
- allturtles 5y ago
  In the sense that alcohol beverages sit on your tongue and most have a designed flavor, of which there are many varieties to enjoy. But I suppose you're right, marijuana smoke does have a flavor, and you may prefer that to any alcoholic beverage. But granting that it's not objective, it still something one could point to (and I would) as a reason for preferring alcoholic drinks.
  - jjcm 5y ago
    Most people looking for flavor aren't smoking. Vape products these days are designed with specific flavor profiles. I'm not talking about the strange mango/bubblegum/etc flavors, I'm saying most weed itself has designed flavor for extracts these days. In the same way that orange juice is a design flavor (manufacturers will work with the brand to combine sugar/juice/oils/scents/pulp ratios), most dab vape concentrates are reduced to their bare components then recombined to achieve a flavor profile desired. Want it more skunky? More piney? Sharper? Softer? It's all achievable and designed. The industry has changed drastically in the last decade. Consider smoked weed to be analogous to moonshine when comparing it with alcohol. That's not a dis towards flower, but many products are just as heavily designed as a bottled beer or scotch is these days.
kstrauser 5y ago
There are lots of ways to consume weed that don’t have those drawbacks. There’s a dispensary around the block from me, and even though I don’t use it, I went in to look around to see what our new neighborhood shop looked like. They had a wide selection of edible candies, vape pens, and even drinks. It looks like it’d be very easy to get a consistent dose without burning anything. I know how much alcohol I can drink to get a pleasant effect without getting drunk, and I’m supposing I could do the same for weed if I wanted. (Or maybe not: it looks like the effects greatly vary based on strain, or how much CBD you take with it, etc. The “how much should I take to relax?” formula looks quite a bit more complicated.)
- allturtles 5y ago
  Fair point, I was thinking of just smoking, and not other forms of consumption.
  - kstrauser 5y ago
    I get it. When I think of weed, my first mental image is still of someone passing a joint or bong around. I was surprised at how many measured dose options there were, though. Want a bag of watermelon gummy candies with X mg of THC? They’ve got you covered. I do wonder how much variance there is in those. Is that 5.0 mg += .1mg, or “eh, about 5 on average”. It’s easy to dose alcohol as you know how much alcohol is in an ounce of whisky. If you find one that’s stronger than another, your taste buds will let you know quickly.
    - mrguyorama 5y ago
      Worth noting, for many people there is a significant difference in experience with edibles vs smoked/vaped weed. My recommendation is to not overthink it. If you're curious at all, go spend $7 on a single pre-roll, light it up, and try it out. There's plenty of unpleasant-ness in it for a first timer, but if you like being high, then you'll probably want to do it again. Dosing for smoking is pretty easy; take a few puffs and wait ten minutes. If you don't feel what you want, take a few more puffs. You don't need to understand your mg dose unless you become pretty habitual
railsgirls112 5y ago
>- Flavor This is obviously not an objective metric of superiority. >- Fills the stomach (can be a disadvantage too, but is advantageous in some situations, e.g. while waiting for dinner to be served at a party) Also subjective, as you realize its inconveniences and give one positive use case. In my experience this bloat is largely uncomfortable and inconvenient. >- Doesn't consume itself (i.e you can set down a drink and come back to it 30 minutes later) This is only true if you leave something lit that is burning, something I doubt most would do on purpose >- Easy to consume a small amount without substantially altering your mental state. Sister comment addresses this well >- No fire/burn risk Valid concern, but there are many common ways to consume weed that don't carry that risk >- Doesn't generate smoke/odor, which is unpleasant for other people and gets in your clothes/furniture Same as above Ironically I think the traditions and rituals around alcohol is the best thing it has going for it, on most "objective" measures weed is regarded superior.
josefresco 5y ago
> Flavor I vape flower cannabis, flavor is a key component of this process. > Fills the stomach Cannabis stimulates my appetite. This is welcome and paired with a glass of wine (on an empty stomach) before dinner makes the experience amazing! > Doesn't consume itself My vape shuts off with inactivity - it doesn't "consume itself. Neither would a "bowl" of cannabis. Even a "joint" would stop burning if you put it down. > Easy to consume a small amount without substantially altering your mental state. This is one of the major advantages of consuming cannabis via the vaping/smoking vs. edibles (also alcohol). The effects are felt in seconds which allows you to eaasily regulate dosage. Edibles and alcohol can easily be overconsumed because of the delay involved in stomach/liver process. > No fire/burn risk My vape is electric, the risk of fire would be similar to using any of my other electronic devices with heat, such as a wax melt device etc. > Doesn't generate smoke/odor, which is unpleasant for other people and gets in your clothes/furniture While the vape does create an odor, it's short lived and doesn't smell like smoked cannabis.
redisman 5y ago
Just get a vape pen. It’s even more convenient than a beer. Fits in your pocket. You can take a tiny puff and put it back if you wish. Barely any smell
Broken_Hippo 5y ago
Each of of these can be solved with a either edibles, vaping (or a number of non-fire options), or a pipe with small bowl.

thebean11 5y ago

How can flavor possibly considered an objective metric?

allturtles 5y ago
In the sense that alcohol beverages sit on your tongue and most have a designed flavor, of which there are many varieties to enjoy. But I suppose you're right, marijuana smoke does have a flavor, and you may prefer that to any alcoholic beverage. But granting that it's not objective, it still something one could point to (and I would) as a reason for preferring alcoholic drinks.
- jjcm 5y ago
  Most people looking for flavor aren't smoking. Vape products these days are designed with specific flavor profiles. I'm not talking about the strange mango/bubblegum/etc flavors, I'm saying most weed itself has designed flavor for extracts these days. In the same way that orange juice is a design flavor (manufacturers will work with the brand to combine sugar/juice/oils/scents/pulp ratios), most dab vape concentrates are reduced to their bare components then recombined to achieve a flavor profile desired. Want it more skunky? More piney? Sharper? Softer? It's all achievable and designed. The industry has changed drastically in the last decade. Consider smoked weed to be analogous to moonshine when comparing it with alcohol. That's not a dis towards flower, but many products are just as heavily designed as a bottled beer or scotch is these days.

kstrauser 5y ago

There are lots of ways to consume weed that don’t have those drawbacks. There’s a dispensary around the block from me, and even though I don’t use it, I went in to look around to see what our new neighborhood shop looked like. They had a wide selection of edible candies, vape pens, and even drinks. It looks like it’d be very easy to get a consistent dose without burning anything. I know how much alcohol I can drink to get a pleasant effect without getting drunk, and I’m supposing I could do the same for weed if I wanted. (Or maybe not: it looks like the effects greatly vary based on strain, or how much CBD you take with it, etc. The “how much should I take to relax?” formula looks quite a bit more complicated.)

allturtles 5y ago
Fair point, I was thinking of just smoking, and not other forms of consumption.
- kstrauser 5y ago
  I get it. When I think of weed, my first mental image is still of someone passing a joint or bong around. I was surprised at how many measured dose options there were, though. Want a bag of watermelon gummy candies with X mg of THC? They’ve got you covered. I do wonder how much variance there is in those. Is that 5.0 mg += .1mg, or “eh, about 5 on average”. It’s easy to dose alcohol as you know how much alcohol is in an ounce of whisky. If you find one that’s stronger than another, your taste buds will let you know quickly.
  - mrguyorama 5y ago
    Worth noting, for many people there is a significant difference in experience with edibles vs smoked/vaped weed. My recommendation is to not overthink it. If you're curious at all, go spend $7 on a single pre-roll, light it up, and try it out. There's plenty of unpleasant-ness in it for a first timer, but if you like being high, then you'll probably want to do it again. Dosing for smoking is pretty easy; take a few puffs and wait ten minutes. If you don't feel what you want, take a few more puffs. You don't need to understand your mg dose unless you become pretty habitual

railsgirls112 5y ago

>- Flavor This is obviously not an objective metric of superiority. >- Fills the stomach (can be a disadvantage too, but is advantageous in some situations, e.g. while waiting for dinner to be served at a party) Also subjective, as you realize its inconveniences and give one positive use case. In my experience this bloat is largely uncomfortable and inconvenient. >- Doesn't consume itself (i.e you can set down a drink and come back to it 30 minutes later) This is only true if you leave something lit that is burning, something I doubt most would do on purpose >- Easy to consume a small amount without substantially altering your mental state. Sister comment addresses this well >- No fire/burn risk Valid concern, but there are many common ways to consume weed that don't carry that risk >- Doesn't generate smoke/odor, which is unpleasant for other people and gets in your clothes/furniture Same as above Ironically I think the traditions and rituals around alcohol is the best thing it has going for it, on most "objective" measures weed is regarded superior.

josefresco 5y ago

> Flavor I vape flower cannabis, flavor is a key component of this process. > Fills the stomach Cannabis stimulates my appetite. This is welcome and paired with a glass of wine (on an empty stomach) before dinner makes the experience amazing! > Doesn't consume itself My vape shuts off with inactivity - it doesn't "consume itself. Neither would a "bowl" of cannabis. Even a "joint" would stop burning if you put it down. > Easy to consume a small amount without substantially altering your mental state. This is one of the major advantages of consuming cannabis via the vaping/smoking vs. edibles (also alcohol). The effects are felt in seconds which allows you to eaasily regulate dosage. Edibles and alcohol can easily be overconsumed because of the delay involved in stomach/liver process. > No fire/burn risk My vape is electric, the risk of fire would be similar to using any of my other electronic devices with heat, such as a wax melt device etc. > Doesn't generate smoke/odor, which is unpleasant for other people and gets in your clothes/furniture While the vape does create an odor, it's short lived and doesn't smell like smoked cannabis.

redisman 5y ago

Just get a vape pen. It’s even more convenient than a beer. Fits in your pocket. You can take a tiny puff and put it back if you wish. Barely any smell

Broken_Hippo 5y ago

Each of of these can be solved with a either edibles, vaping (or a number of non-fire options), or a pipe with small bowl.