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Europe considers new Covid-19 strategy: accepting the virus

7 points by steelstraw 5y ago

peakaboo 5y ago
No we must vaccinate with at least 3 more shots. Pfizer jets doesn't come cheap you know.
stuaxo 5y ago
We've had endemic diseases before, it didn't make them better.
mint2 5y ago
“New” doesn’t feel like the right word since for a long time it’s been known we’d need to shift to living with it. Getting the timing right for that shift has immense consequences, but I’d say it’s more a “next phase” in strategy rather than a “new” strategy.
legerdemain 5y ago
Honestly, yes, COVID is now ineradicable, if there even was any chance of eradicating it. Let's pull our heads out of the sand and be rational about it. We just have to accept the consequences of having it around forever and deal with the likelihood of catching it throughout our lives as best we can: - accept reduced life expectancy for people who are elderly or overweight - spacing and strong ventilation in public indoor places by default - reduce our reliance on IRL entertainment and socializing - spread out our cities to build less dense housing and more suburbs - on trips outside the home, avoid public transit and prefer personal vehicles - reduce our reliance on mass public education in overcrowded schools
- credit_guy 5y ago
  Also, get the vaccine.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > - reduce our reliance on IRL entertainment and socializing No other disease in history has ever made everyone permanently reduce their quality of life. Why should we for this one? > - on trips outside the home, avoid public transit and prefer personal vehicles So can we finally stop making cities so car-hostile?
  - legerdemain 5y ago
    Yes! Cities need wider streets, more parking lots and cheaper ones, less enforcement, fewer places where drivers have to yield to pedestrians, higher speed limits, and fewer traffic lights and stop signs! Driving around in a city is such an unpleasant chore, that many of these things would be a huge help.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      > fewer places where drivers have to yield to pedestrians You sound sarcastic, but doing this by means of grade-separated crossings would actually be a good idea.

7 points by steelstraw 5y ago

peakaboo 5y ago

No we must vaccinate with at least 3 more shots. Pfizer jets doesn't come cheap you know.

stuaxo 5y ago

We've had endemic diseases before, it didn't make them better.

mint2 5y ago

“New” doesn’t feel like the right word since for a long time it’s been known we’d need to shift to living with it. Getting the timing right for that shift has immense consequences, but I’d say it’s more a “next phase” in strategy rather than a “new” strategy.

legerdemain 5y ago

Honestly, yes, COVID is now ineradicable, if there even was any chance of eradicating it. Let's pull our heads out of the sand and be rational about it. We just have to accept the consequences of having it around forever and deal with the likelihood of catching it throughout our lives as best we can: - accept reduced life expectancy for people who are elderly or overweight - spacing and strong ventilation in public indoor places by default - reduce our reliance on IRL entertainment and socializing - spread out our cities to build less dense housing and more suburbs - on trips outside the home, avoid public transit and prefer personal vehicles - reduce our reliance on mass public education in overcrowded schools

credit_guy 5y ago
Also, get the vaccine.
josephcsible 5y ago
> - reduce our reliance on IRL entertainment and socializing No other disease in history has ever made everyone permanently reduce their quality of life. Why should we for this one? > - on trips outside the home, avoid public transit and prefer personal vehicles So can we finally stop making cities so car-hostile?
- legerdemain 5y ago
  Yes! Cities need wider streets, more parking lots and cheaper ones, less enforcement, fewer places where drivers have to yield to pedestrians, higher speed limits, and fewer traffic lights and stop signs! Driving around in a city is such an unpleasant chore, that many of these things would be a huge help.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    > fewer places where drivers have to yield to pedestrians You sound sarcastic, but doing this by means of grade-separated crossings would actually be a good idea.