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Why all this hate on Telegram, when it is not even guaranteed to be e2e? Is Signal already banned?

Arnt 5y ago
This isn't about encryption at all, it's about a function that Signal doesn't have: Public and searchable groups. A Signal group is private to the members, always and by design. You can only join by knowing someone in the group, and only read the messages by being in the group. Telegram has groups that you can find by searching, and that you can join and read without knowing anyone else in the group. That kind of group is central to several of the big problems in German society at the moment.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > several of the big problems in German society at the moment Can you elaborate on this?
  - Zak 5y ago
    The recent high-profile example is a far-right group conspiring to kill the governor of Saxony. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/15/1064463596/german-police-anti-vax-assassination-plot https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/1...
    - xfitm3 5y ago
      Very sad. The truth is everyone who wants to get vaccinated has got the jab already. Time to stop doubling down on mandates and remember we're all humans.
      - Arnt 5y ago
        Someone I know is a physician at a hospital. She looked awfully tired when I met her a few days ago. "Too much corona", she explained. Shall I just suggest to her that it's time to stop doubling down?
  - Arnt 5y ago
    There are two variants: People running what amounts to blogs on Telegram, and reaching a wide audience. Nominally they're groups but only one person can post. They can run ordinary blogs on the web and not get many readers, they can post on Facebook but the moderation there is said to be effective now. Telegram provides them with a large audience and no moderation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_Hildmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_Hildmann Nazis looking for groups where they can recruit. The cliché is a group set up to organise protest against e.g. some new gravel pit in what was a quiet little forest, where a couple of nazis join and then mention that this gravel pit is really just another example of how capitalist jew pigs grow rich at the expense of ordinary people like the neighbours of that gravel pit. It's not clear to me why Telegram works better for them than Facebook groups. Perhaps a question of moderation style.

Arnt 5y ago

This isn't about encryption at all, it's about a function that Signal doesn't have: Public and searchable groups. A Signal group is private to the members, always and by design. You can only join by knowing someone in the group, and only read the messages by being in the group. Telegram has groups that you can find by searching, and that you can join and read without knowing anyone else in the group. That kind of group is central to several of the big problems in German society at the moment.

josephcsible 5y ago
> several of the big problems in German society at the moment Can you elaborate on this?
- Zak 5y ago
  The recent high-profile example is a far-right group conspiring to kill the governor of Saxony. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/15/1064463596/german-police-anti-vax-assassination-plot https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/1...
  - xfitm3 5y ago
    Very sad. The truth is everyone who wants to get vaccinated has got the jab already. Time to stop doubling down on mandates and remember we're all humans.
    - Arnt 5y ago
      Someone I know is a physician at a hospital. She looked awfully tired when I met her a few days ago. "Too much corona", she explained. Shall I just suggest to her that it's time to stop doubling down?
- Arnt 5y ago
  There are two variants: People running what amounts to blogs on Telegram, and reaching a wide audience. Nominally they're groups but only one person can post. They can run ordinary blogs on the web and not get many readers, they can post on Facebook but the moderation there is said to be effective now. Telegram provides them with a large audience and no moderation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_Hildmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_Hildmann Nazis looking for groups where they can recruit. The cliché is a group set up to organise protest against e.g. some new gravel pit in what was a quiet little forest, where a couple of nazis join and then mention that this gravel pit is really just another example of how capitalist jew pigs grow rich at the expense of ordinary people like the neighbours of that gravel pit. It's not clear to me why Telegram works better for them than Facebook groups. Perhaps a question of moderation style.