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> There are plenty of studies showing benefits. Yes. And these studies are being exposed as the product of alcohol lobby. https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal

by nabla9 5y ago

> There are plenty of studies showing benefits. Yes. And these studies are being exposed as the product of alcohol lobby. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/21/17139036/health-effects-alcohol-moderate-drinking-nih https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/21/17139036/he... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6055701/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6055701/

colechristensen 5y ago
I am perfectly aware of p-hackng. I still don’t believe it without actual evidence, I get strong vibes of people wanting this to be true which would take more than a little evidence to overcome.
- nabla9 5y ago
  The alcohol industry gave the government money to prove moderate drinking is safe https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/21/17139036/health-effects-alcohol-moderate-drinking-nih https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/21/17139036/he... Alcohol industry involvement in science: A systematic review of the perspectives of the alcohol research community https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6055701/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6055701/
  - jeromegv 5y ago
    And what are the studies that show that moderate drinking is not safe?
    - nabla9 5y ago
      Lazy skepticism and contrarian attitude is not helpful.
- tdeck 5y ago
  Many of these studies purporting to show a benefit from drinking included a sizable sample of people in the non-drinking group who had stopped for health reasons. In other words, they were probably told at some time in the past that they'd destroy their liver if they kept it up, indicating some level of damage to the body. In a society where some level of drinking alcohol is the norm, the non-drinking group has an overrepresentation of these people which skews the results.
- dionidium 5y ago
  It's funny hearing this, because it's so clear to me that the opposite is the case. If you were an alien and you observed alcohol use on Earth for a few years you'd have no trouble concluding that it's almost certainly harmful even in small doses. But humans like alcohol, so they do not want this to be true.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    I mean we evolved consuming alcohol and are way better at metabolizing it than some of our primate relatives, some creatures thrive on it.

by nabla9 5y ago

colechristensen 5y ago

I am perfectly aware of p-hackng. I still don’t believe it without actual evidence, I get strong vibes of people wanting this to be true which would take more than a little evidence to overcome.

nabla9 5y ago
The alcohol industry gave the government money to prove moderate drinking is safe https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/21/17139036/health-effects-alcohol-moderate-drinking-nih https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/21/17139036/he... Alcohol industry involvement in science: A systematic review of the perspectives of the alcohol research community https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6055701/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6055701/
- jeromegv 5y ago
  And what are the studies that show that moderate drinking is not safe?
  - nabla9 5y ago
    Lazy skepticism and contrarian attitude is not helpful.
tdeck 5y ago
Many of these studies purporting to show a benefit from drinking included a sizable sample of people in the non-drinking group who had stopped for health reasons. In other words, they were probably told at some time in the past that they'd destroy their liver if they kept it up, indicating some level of damage to the body. In a society where some level of drinking alcohol is the norm, the non-drinking group has an overrepresentation of these people which skews the results.
dionidium 5y ago
It's funny hearing this, because it's so clear to me that the opposite is the case. If you were an alien and you observed alcohol use on Earth for a few years you'd have no trouble concluding that it's almost certainly harmful even in small doses. But humans like alcohol, so they do not want this to be true.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  I mean we evolved consuming alcohol and are way better at metabolizing it than some of our primate relatives, some creatures thrive on it.