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> The evidence is clear: any level of alcohol consumption can lead to loss of healthy life. No it isn't. The studies change on this constantly. Literally, it i

by jppope 5y ago

> The evidence is clear: any level of alcohol consumption can lead to loss of healthy life. No it isn't. The studies change on this constantly. Literally, it is why they are making their policy- because its confusing to people. They also need to conduct a longitudinal study (or more than 1) to prove this... and guess what? They won't do it.

kevinmchugh 5y ago
If you see a study that purports to show health benefits of drinking check to see if it distinguishes lifelong teetotalers vs recovering alcoholics. Lifelong teetotalers are much healthier than an alcoholic who's quit drinking, on average. The studies, at least in the US, should also control for wealth.
- starwind 5y ago
  Bingo. A lot of studies that purport health benefits from drinking are comparing "sick quitters" who drank themselves into health problems to normal people who have the occasional drink and don't bother to control for socioeconomic status
  - kevinmchugh 5y ago
    Ah, thank you, I knew the phenomenon had a name and couldn't remember "sick quitters"
BurningFrog 5y ago
Note the weasel word: "can".
f38zf5vdt 5y ago
They've been consistent on the positive cardiovascular effects from mild consumption of red wine forever. > 48 animal and 37 human studies were included in data extraction following screening. Significant improvements in measures of blood pressure and vascular function following RWP were seen in 84% and 100% of animal studies, respectively. Human studies indicated significant improvements in systolic blood pressure overall (− 2.6 mmHg, 95% CI: [− 4.8, − 0.4]), with a greater improvement in pure-resveratrol studies alone (− 3.7 mmHg, 95% CI: [− 7.3, − 0.0]). No significant effects of RWP were seen in diastolic blood pressure or flow-mediated dilation (FMD) of the brachial artery. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-020-02247-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-020-02247-8
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rkk3 5y ago
It's pretty hard to build a study... You have to get a group of participants who are willing to drink alcohol everyday or never drink it again depending on which group they are assigned to.

by jppope 5y ago

kevinmchugh 5y ago

If you see a study that purports to show health benefits of drinking check to see if it distinguishes lifelong teetotalers vs recovering alcoholics. Lifelong teetotalers are much healthier than an alcoholic who's quit drinking, on average. The studies, at least in the US, should also control for wealth.

starwind 5y ago
Bingo. A lot of studies that purport health benefits from drinking are comparing "sick quitters" who drank themselves into health problems to normal people who have the occasional drink and don't bother to control for socioeconomic status
- kevinmchugh 5y ago
  Ah, thank you, I knew the phenomenon had a name and couldn't remember "sick quitters"

BurningFrog 5y ago

Note the weasel word: "can".

f38zf5vdt 5y ago

They've been consistent on the positive cardiovascular effects from mild consumption of red wine forever. > 48 animal and 37 human studies were included in data extraction following screening. Significant improvements in measures of blood pressure and vascular function following RWP were seen in 84% and 100% of animal studies, respectively. Human studies indicated significant improvements in systolic blood pressure overall (− 2.6 mmHg, 95% CI: [− 4.8, − 0.4]), with a greater improvement in pure-resveratrol studies alone (− 3.7 mmHg, 95% CI: [− 7.3, − 0.0]). No significant effects of RWP were seen in diastolic blood pressure or flow-mediated dilation (FMD) of the brachial artery. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-020-02247-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-020-02247-8

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rkk3 5y ago

It's pretty hard to build a study... You have to get a group of participants who are willing to drink alcohol everyday or never drink it again depending on which group they are assigned to.