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Couldn’t agree more with this. I recently got a PineNote as well and was disappointed with the lack of community organization. The wiki is bare, and the people

Couldn’t agree more with this. I recently got a PineNote as well and was disappointed with the lack of community organization. The wiki is bare, and the people hanging on Discord and IRC just seem to be hacking on their own things. I am motivated to start writing software for this device with a “do one thing well” philosophy, as a device like this should have. But it’s hard to get started on that when the advice for getting started on it is “you should try getting your favourite distro to run on it and go from there.” Yeah sorry, no. I want to contribute where I can to the project as a whole, not get Doom running on an e-ink tablet.

bluGill 5y ago
PineNote has been out for only a month or so, there are only a few thousand units in total out there and you are surprised there isn't a community yet? The only people who should be buying it these days are those trying to build a community. It isn't Pine's fault you bought something without knowing what state it was.
- jagger27 5y ago
  This kind of attitude and response is extremely offputting, toxic, and rude and doesn’t make me want to donate my time to “the project”. I posted my genuine thoughts and experience and this is the response I get? I want to contribute to the software but there isn’t any meaningful structure in place to do so. This isn’t Pine’s first device, far from it, yet it feels like I have to start from square one.
  - bluGill 5y ago
    This is how Pine has always operated and it has worked for them. Other places don't make you start from square one - and it is years before you get anything because of all the tim they spend getting all the parts ready. Actually most places spend years getting Windows (android or whatever) and you are lucky if they acknowledge hobbies at all.
belval 5y ago
I can empathize with the PinePhone folks because it's been out for a while, but if you decided to buy a PineNote that is 100% on you and no one else. This is fresh-off-the-chain new hardware that is only available through invites... The monthly blog is very clear on the current state of the PineNote with only one user having successfully run a GUI and touch screen as of last week. > the people hanging on Discord and IRC just seem to be hacking on their own things Last I check they are unpaid and don't have to work on "your" thing.
- bluGill 5y ago
  > his is fresh-off-the-chain new hardware that is only available through invites... That changed two weeks ago. Anyone can buy it now. (if it is in stock, and Chinese New Year means you won't get it for a couple months...) They try to be clear that it boots and you can see something on the display but that is about it.
  - belval 5y ago
    Yeah I remember reading that somewhere as well, but the page does not allow you to order one it seems? https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/
    - bluGill 5y ago
      The "pre orders only open for developers" is a button that will take you to a page allowing you to add it to your cart. I am not ready to buy one so I removed it from my cart instead of paying, but it looks to me like anyone can buy one.
- jagger27 5y ago
  > I can empathize with the PinePhone folks because it's been out for a while, but if you decided to buy a PineNote that is 100% on you and no one else. I'm not sure why you and the other commenter are so keen to throw me under the bus. I'm not saying that the purchase was a waste, nor that I regret buying it. And neither of you have said nothing to address any of my points about the lack of direction and community structure. I want to help make it a nice device to use but there's nothing to latch onto. The hardware is nice and worth what I paid. > The monthly blog is very clear on the current state of the PineNote with only one user having successfully run a GUI and touch screen as of last week. Yeah, great. Where are the efforts to package this hard work up and build on it? > Last I check they are unpaid and don't have to work on "your" thing. Of course they're unpaid. What I'm trying to get at is that few people are working together towards something that's usable because there's no organization. If there is anything, it's certainly not obvious. I'm not asking anyone to work on "my" thing, I don't have a "thing". I'm looking for "things" to help with, but people are just playing around.

bluGill 5y ago

PineNote has been out for only a month or so, there are only a few thousand units in total out there and you are surprised there isn't a community yet? The only people who should be buying it these days are those trying to build a community. It isn't Pine's fault you bought something without knowing what state it was.

jagger27 5y ago
This kind of attitude and response is extremely offputting, toxic, and rude and doesn’t make me want to donate my time to “the project”. I posted my genuine thoughts and experience and this is the response I get? I want to contribute to the software but there isn’t any meaningful structure in place to do so. This isn’t Pine’s first device, far from it, yet it feels like I have to start from square one.
- bluGill 5y ago
  This is how Pine has always operated and it has worked for them. Other places don't make you start from square one - and it is years before you get anything because of all the tim they spend getting all the parts ready. Actually most places spend years getting Windows (android or whatever) and you are lucky if they acknowledge hobbies at all.

belval 5y ago

I can empathize with the PinePhone folks because it's been out for a while, but if you decided to buy a PineNote that is 100% on you and no one else. This is fresh-off-the-chain new hardware that is only available through invites... The monthly blog is very clear on the current state of the PineNote with only one user having successfully run a GUI and touch screen as of last week. > the people hanging on Discord and IRC just seem to be hacking on their own things Last I check they are unpaid and don't have to work on "your" thing.

bluGill 5y ago
> his is fresh-off-the-chain new hardware that is only available through invites... That changed two weeks ago. Anyone can buy it now. (if it is in stock, and Chinese New Year means you won't get it for a couple months...) They try to be clear that it boots and you can see something on the display but that is about it.
- belval 5y ago
  Yeah I remember reading that somewhere as well, but the page does not allow you to order one it seems? https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/
  - bluGill 5y ago
    The "pre orders only open for developers" is a button that will take you to a page allowing you to add it to your cart. I am not ready to buy one so I removed it from my cart instead of paying, but it looks to me like anyone can buy one.
jagger27 5y ago
> I can empathize with the PinePhone folks because it's been out for a while, but if you decided to buy a PineNote that is 100% on you and no one else. I'm not sure why you and the other commenter are so keen to throw me under the bus. I'm not saying that the purchase was a waste, nor that I regret buying it. And neither of you have said nothing to address any of my points about the lack of direction and community structure. I want to help make it a nice device to use but there's nothing to latch onto. The hardware is nice and worth what I paid. > The monthly blog is very clear on the current state of the PineNote with only one user having successfully run a GUI and touch screen as of last week. Yeah, great. Where are the efforts to package this hard work up and build on it? > Last I check they are unpaid and don't have to work on "your" thing. Of course they're unpaid. What I'm trying to get at is that few people are working together towards something that's usable because there's no organization. If there is anything, it's certainly not obvious. I'm not asking anyone to work on "my" thing, I don't have a "thing". I'm looking for "things" to help with, but people are just playing around.