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Compared to a good 80s track like Jump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM all songs you listed sound limp,

Compared to a good 80s track like Jump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM all songs you listed sound limp, fake and barely even alive. Maybe it's a matter of taste, but come on, tell me I'm wrong.

UncleMeat 5y ago
You are wrong. Heck, even Jump was criticized to hell and back for being synth garbage instead of the shred metal that Van Halen was known for prior to that song. There has never been a time in history when more great music was being created and made accessible to the masses than today. And I say that as a crotchety jazz nerd.
- digisign 5y ago
  VH was never metal, they started before it with hard-blues reminiscent of Led Zeppelin with a party posture, then added piano chords and pop sensibility via synth. They were only in the neighborhood due to EVH imitators.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    There's nothing bluesy about "Right Now."
    - digisign 5y ago
      So what? It certainly isn't metal either.
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        But it does shred.
Apocryphon 5y ago
You are wrong, in that a lot of those tracks listed have completely different tempos and genres from the song you're comparing. So then you're favoring '80s rock, specifically glam metal, over modern pop. You're not wrong in preferring one over the other, but there's no objective comparison to be made when the songs are playing at completely different speeds with very different styles. Funnily enough, there is an '80s revival going on with some modern pop right now, but again then you would have to compare the original '80s new wave, synth-pop music to it and not '80s rock. https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-52109397 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-52109397 As far as why there isn't as many modern rock top hits to compare to '80s ones... well, this decade didn't kill rock. That's a historical phenomenon that dates back to the 2000s or so.
- digisign 5y ago
  Jump was primarily an incredible pop hit, with just a sprinkling of rock as seasoning. I'd say it crushes all those alternatives, with the exception of the Adele tune which was lovely, but agree it is hard to compare those specific two. Just too different.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    That doesn't rebut my point at all! "Jump" has a completely different sound despite the synth, it's got far heavier rock instruments than everything else. You're comparing apples to doorknobs here. Should have picked something more synthy like "I Ran" A Flock of Seagulls or A-Ha. Those are at least similar, and worth conceding their superiority to. But even that's still incomplete. The Ed Sheeran song has certain R&B beats and a sound that wasn't really present until like the late '90s imo. The Glass Animals song is even more R&B and is literally about loss and longing, so would be flattened by any song that's upbeat, completely incongruous from "Jump". Not too dissimilar, "Stay" is a mopey teenage relationship song, and thus would have a certain angsty lower energy. So, not even the wrong genres, but wrong emotional beats entirely.
    - digisign 5y ago
      These details aren't particularly relevant in a bouncy pop song.

UncleMeat 5y ago

You are wrong. Heck, even Jump was criticized to hell and back for being synth garbage instead of the shred metal that Van Halen was known for prior to that song. There has never been a time in history when more great music was being created and made accessible to the masses than today. And I say that as a crotchety jazz nerd.

digisign 5y ago
VH was never metal, they started before it with hard-blues reminiscent of Led Zeppelin with a party posture, then added piano chords and pop sensibility via synth. They were only in the neighborhood due to EVH imitators.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  There's nothing bluesy about "Right Now."
  - digisign 5y ago
    So what? It certainly isn't metal either.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      But it does shred.

Apocryphon 5y ago

You are wrong, in that a lot of those tracks listed have completely different tempos and genres from the song you're comparing. So then you're favoring '80s rock, specifically glam metal, over modern pop. You're not wrong in preferring one over the other, but there's no objective comparison to be made when the songs are playing at completely different speeds with very different styles. Funnily enough, there is an '80s revival going on with some modern pop right now, but again then you would have to compare the original '80s new wave, synth-pop music to it and not '80s rock. https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-52109397 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-52109397 As far as why there isn't as many modern rock top hits to compare to '80s ones... well, this decade didn't kill rock. That's a historical phenomenon that dates back to the 2000s or so.

digisign 5y ago
Jump was primarily an incredible pop hit, with just a sprinkling of rock as seasoning. I'd say it crushes all those alternatives, with the exception of the Adele tune which was lovely, but agree it is hard to compare those specific two. Just too different.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  That doesn't rebut my point at all! "Jump" has a completely different sound despite the synth, it's got far heavier rock instruments than everything else. You're comparing apples to doorknobs here. Should have picked something more synthy like "I Ran" A Flock of Seagulls or A-Ha. Those are at least similar, and worth conceding their superiority to. But even that's still incomplete. The Ed Sheeran song has certain R&B beats and a sound that wasn't really present until like the late '90s imo. The Glass Animals song is even more R&B and is literally about loss and longing, so would be flattened by any song that's upbeat, completely incongruous from "Jump". Not too dissimilar, "Stay" is a mopey teenage relationship song, and thus would have a certain angsty lower energy. So, not even the wrong genres, but wrong emotional beats entirely.
  - digisign 5y ago
    These details aren't particularly relevant in a bouncy pop song.