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AWS Service Terms: the clause 42.10
- abiro 5y agoYou really have to admire the level of gameplay at AWS. At one stroke: 1. They created a recurring viral (pun not intended) marketing meme. 2. They gained credibility with game devs. 3. Boosted team spirit.
- onion2k 5y agoThey gained credibility with game devs. Did they though?
- capableweb 5y agoWhat "viral marketing meme" are you talking about, a funny clause in their legal text? Seems like that's a one-time thing mostly, which most people will see through as a marketing gimmick to try to seem less sterile than what the organization is in real-life. I don't see how this can lead to either more credibility with game developers nor boosting the team spirit, both of those are driven by building a really good product that is useful for people (in this case game developers), which judging by the actual product page, it's not really there yet. Until then, credibility will remain where it's at, and so will the team spirit. Don't let one paragraph from the legalese confuse you.
- gfykvfyxgc 5y agoSeems reasonable. Fairly standard clause I’d think.
- tomklein 5y agoGlad to know that in such a catastrophical event, the military at least got permission to use Amazon Lumberyard for live combat.
- kreeben 5y agoDuring a zombie outbreak, how important is cloud access, really?
- charcircuit 5y agoLumberyard isn't cloud. It's a game engine and it sounds like it is not designed to be 100% robust, hence it shouldn't be used in critical situations.
- threatofrain 5y ago> 42.10. Acceptable Use; Safety-Critical Systems. Your use of the Lumberyard Materials must comply with the Acceptable Use Policy. The Lumberyard Materials are not intended for use with life-critical or safety-critical systems, such as use in operation of medical equipment, automated transportation systems, autonomous vehicles, aircraft or air traffic control, nuclear facilities, manned spacecraft, or military use in connection with live combat. > However, this restriction will not apply in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization.
- gwd 5y agoUnfortunately, if the infection is bacterial, amoebic, or prionic in nature, you'll still have to use something else.
- dragonwriter 5y agoEven more unfortunately, there is no “US Centers for Disease Control” (there is a US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which typically uses an acronym in which the “and Prevention” is not represented) so the certification condition can never be met.
- Gaelan 5y agoSurely a reasonable court would say that it's very clear what they meant?
- dragonwriter 5y agoI think many a real court would (however much it conflicts with certain idealized views of court operation) in different ways depending on whether the issue before it was Amazon seeking to exclude the use as unauthorized as a basis for breach (either seeking damages or seeking to avoid damages for cutting off the entity using the software in a CDC certified zombie invasion) or the some other party seeking to use the fact that it was an authorized use of Amazon software to make a product liability claim against Amazon for harms resulting from such use.
- coolandsmartrr 5y agoFor the lazy: > However, this restriction will not apply in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization. I remember when AWS released Lumberyard and a commenter on HN pointed out the zombie clause. This joke rewards those who reads the fine details.
- eesmith 5y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24636281 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24636281 ? "Amazon mentions zombies in their Terms of Usage", by supernihil on Sept 30, 2020.
- fhd2 5y agoHaving worked in a middle sized company with a bunch of lawyers on payroll, I am starstruck how someone got something like this in at a gigantic corporation like Amazon. I'd imagine this to have taken weeks at best. Unless it was the idea of a high level executive of course.
- that_guy_iain 5y ago"What if we allow it in case of Zombies?" "Are you serious? Zombies?" "Well, they say COVID was made in a lab. What other crap do they have in those labs? Better safe than sorry." "Yea, true."
- capableweb 5y agoMore like: PR department: "People think Amazon corporate are like drones and we're no fun, people are leaving because we sometimes prioritizes profits over human-life, what can we do about it?" Legal team: "Lets pretend that there can be a zombie apocalypse in our legal terms, easter eggs like this will surely make people forget about all that grim stuff"
- Vosporos 5y agoYeah that's more likely
- a2800276 5y agoOr "no one is going to read this shit anyway, let's make a hilarious funny in paragraph 42.10 and no one will notice that you're promising your first born to Jeff Bezos in 43.1.1.2.5. We're running out of virgins for his daily rejuvenation bath"
- Tade0 5y agoOr "As part of our recruitment process in the legal department we require candidates to read and understand our terms of service in full."
- lifeisstillgood 5y agoWas this a Brown M&Ms moment, a trap setup for the lawyers, and simply got through? Or just a sign of how human and laugh a minute Amazon Corporate really is underneath it all?
- glenngillen 5y agoWhen I joined AWS in 2017, at some point in your first month you’d do a week long induction program. A cavalcade of rather dry summaries and presentations from different functional areas alongside The usual onboarding and “how stuff works here” educational sessions. The legal team were easily the highlight. Such an incredibly entertaining group. Literally the only session I remember after all these years too.
- globular-toast 5y agoI found out about this from my mother. It seems this is being circulated within the boomer conspiracy theory circles. It's funny for people who get the joke, but they have no idea what "Lumberyard Materials" could be. It sounds really scary to them.
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- PedroBatista 5y agoWhy are they so sure zombies wouldn't sue them? Also, is the zombie market that big it deserves a explicit mention in the ToS?
- karmakaze 5y agoZombies are the lowest form of horror.
- throwaway2016a 5y agoWell that rules out the Cordyceps infection from the Last of Us