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Personally I became alienated from the music industry and don't know how to find new music. I care about privacy, so I opted out from having a youtube/instagra

Personally I became alienated from the music industry and don't know how to find new music. I care about privacy, so I opted out from having a youtube/instagram/facebook account. I never used streaming because I listen to albums and want to own my music. The result is that I don't even get notified when my favourite musicians recommend a band or even release a new album. Where is the product for me? I am not in any of their data and just sit here listening to an offline library I built more than 10 years ago, desperate but struggling to find new stuff

wruza 5y ago
so I opted out from having a youtube/instagram/facebook account Oh, you didn't lose much. My playlists are decimated monthly by "video deleted/unavailable" and "not showing 3 unlisted video" or something along the lines. And there is no way to know which video that was. I don't even care to add music to playlists anymore, I just search for it. Also, algorithms stopped delivering new stuff long ago. The right column is full of tricking you into watching some promoted bs unrelated to the video.
- tribaal 5y ago
  I listen to a lot of "new music" in my particular genres of preference, and that's mostly thanks to Spotify's algorithmic "Albums you might like" (on top of the usual music festivals and friends hot tips, of course) Am I somehow in the minority of people happy with their stuff? I never go to youtube for music. Should I?
  - coremoff 5y ago
    I have a subscription to YtM; I think it's great (though I think the user interface isn't as good as GpM was). Playing a radio based on a track I like is very good for discovering new music and bands - it has consistently given me an essentially endless stream of music that is different, but similar, to the chosen track; my subscriptions have increased dramatically in the last couple of years based on that. Anecodtally, YtM seems to be better for EDM these days; my friends, who are mostly spotify, complain that they're not presented with the same quality and variety of music as I am via YtM. (EDM is just a portion of my tastes, but it's where I have noted a difference in perception between YtM and Spotify). Sounds like Spotify works for you; if you're finding that "albums you might like" is giving you sufficient good new picks, then why change. If you feel that it's not giving you enough, it might be worth trying YtM (I've been using it for years, and don't know how much that impacts its ability to offer me new music I like, so obviously YMMV).
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asdff 5y ago
You can still get notified and be up to date with the world even while caring about privacy and not bothering with social media. Just pretend like its 2002 again. Where do you get notified about your favorite bands new music? Your favorite band's website. Where do you read about shows coming to town? Your local venues website. If you don't want to keep checking manually there are services today to generate an rss feed or an email. Where do you find new music related to your existing music? Your local record store. Where do you see whats popular? The billboard 100 or who is on festival setlists.
omnibrain 5y ago
How did you do it before youtube and social media? I suppose there are still some magazines about music on the news stands, but I'm not sure if they cover "new music" instead of "new releases" of the same old music. I looked into my podcast app and there is a music category. Perhaps there are some interesting podcasts presenting new music. You could still use streaming and then buy the physical releases of the music you like.
djxfade 5y ago
You can still purchase music from iTunes. You don't have to stream. For now...
xbl 5y ago
It's one of those things that takes effort. When I was younger I had a constant stream of gigs and recommendations from friends, but that's faded away as we all got older. It felt easier, but that was mainly due to it being a collective effort You've said you're against streaming, but you could just use it as a way to find new music before buying the physical albums. I use the radio feature in Spotify all the time and often end up finding new music through it - you basically pick an artist or song you like and it makes you a playlist of similar music. You do need to change the radio start point occasionally if the algorithm starts getting repetitive, but it works well enough
Semaphor 5y ago
Depending on your genres (there’s not a ton of music that is being played on the radio), you might want to check out Bandcamp [0]. You can follow labels or musicians to get notified of new releases, most of the time you can stream the whole album unlimited times for free before deciding to buy it, downloads have multiple formats available including lossless. It’s where I get 99% of my music from (the outliers being some very few I have to get from Amazon, and one Danish dude [1] who hates the modern world and only sells CDs via snail mail) For new Metal releases, I used to subscribe to the RSS feed for a Metal torrent tracker, I mostly stopped listening to bigger bands, but before that, the notifications were better than what I could find elsewhere. [0]: https://bandcamp.com/ https://bandcamp.com/ [1]: https://nagelfestmusic.com/ https://nagelfestmusic.com/
- benrjackson 5y ago
  Thanks for the second link. Years ago I emailed Erik Ravn about getting copies of some hard to find Wuthering Heights albums. He mentioned that he was working on remasters after he got the rights back from the record company. Glad to see he finally got it done.
  - Semaphor 5y ago
    Yeah, more are still to come. Also check out his new project, Beltane Born. Not the same (or even similar to) as Wuthering Heights, but still great :) If he keeps releasing more stuff, I might actually have to buy an external CD drive to rip his music instead of waiting till I visit my parents ;)
knaik94 5y ago
I understand that you said you want to own music but I would suggest separating discovery from your library. You should let yourself listen to singles released via streaming as long it has corresponding artist and title name. Internet radio is still going strong. I know in the US many popular traditional radio stations have an online stream as well. You will have to be okay with ads though. If you're focused on a getting a multi-track experience, I would strongly recommend looking up live show recordings of some of your favorite artists. You will have to use YouTube or SoundCloud or wherever because it's rare that an artists release a show on something like a bluray. I have seen it in Kpop but not much in the west. Netflix and Disney plus have gotten into releasing documentary concerts like Taylor Swift's Folklore: The Long Pond Studio Sessions. The Billboard's top 100 is still a pretty decent way to expose yourself to new releases.
conradfr 5y ago
Well there's still radio! You have a vast amount of professional and amateur radios at your disposal thanks to api like radio-browser.info [0] which many sites and mobile apps use. In fact I do such a site myself [1] (but I'm not Russ Hanneman) ;) Personally I miss Google Play Music and its automatic playlists A LOT. [0] https://www.radio-browser.info/users https://www.radio-browser.info/users [1] https://www.radio-addict.com/en/streaming https://www.radio-addict.com/en/streaming

wruza 5y ago

so I opted out from having a youtube/instagram/facebook account Oh, you didn't lose much. My playlists are decimated monthly by "video deleted/unavailable" and "not showing 3 unlisted video" or something along the lines. And there is no way to know which video that was. I don't even care to add music to playlists anymore, I just search for it. Also, algorithms stopped delivering new stuff long ago. The right column is full of tricking you into watching some promoted bs unrelated to the video.

tribaal 5y ago
I listen to a lot of "new music" in my particular genres of preference, and that's mostly thanks to Spotify's algorithmic "Albums you might like" (on top of the usual music festivals and friends hot tips, of course) Am I somehow in the minority of people happy with their stuff? I never go to youtube for music. Should I?
- coremoff 5y ago
  I have a subscription to YtM; I think it's great (though I think the user interface isn't as good as GpM was). Playing a radio based on a track I like is very good for discovering new music and bands - it has consistently given me an essentially endless stream of music that is different, but similar, to the chosen track; my subscriptions have increased dramatically in the last couple of years based on that. Anecodtally, YtM seems to be better for EDM these days; my friends, who are mostly spotify, complain that they're not presented with the same quality and variety of music as I am via YtM. (EDM is just a portion of my tastes, but it's where I have noted a difference in perception between YtM and Spotify). Sounds like Spotify works for you; if you're finding that "albums you might like" is giving you sufficient good new picks, then why change. If you feel that it's not giving you enough, it might be worth trying YtM (I've been using it for years, and don't know how much that impacts its ability to offer me new music I like, so obviously YMMV).
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asdff 5y ago

You can still get notified and be up to date with the world even while caring about privacy and not bothering with social media. Just pretend like its 2002 again. Where do you get notified about your favorite bands new music? Your favorite band's website. Where do you read about shows coming to town? Your local venues website. If you don't want to keep checking manually there are services today to generate an rss feed or an email. Where do you find new music related to your existing music? Your local record store. Where do you see whats popular? The billboard 100 or who is on festival setlists.

omnibrain 5y ago

How did you do it before youtube and social media? I suppose there are still some magazines about music on the news stands, but I'm not sure if they cover "new music" instead of "new releases" of the same old music. I looked into my podcast app and there is a music category. Perhaps there are some interesting podcasts presenting new music. You could still use streaming and then buy the physical releases of the music you like.

djxfade 5y ago

You can still purchase music from iTunes. You don't have to stream. For now...

xbl 5y ago

It's one of those things that takes effort. When I was younger I had a constant stream of gigs and recommendations from friends, but that's faded away as we all got older. It felt easier, but that was mainly due to it being a collective effort You've said you're against streaming, but you could just use it as a way to find new music before buying the physical albums. I use the radio feature in Spotify all the time and often end up finding new music through it - you basically pick an artist or song you like and it makes you a playlist of similar music. You do need to change the radio start point occasionally if the algorithm starts getting repetitive, but it works well enough

Semaphor 5y ago

Depending on your genres (there’s not a ton of music that is being played on the radio), you might want to check out Bandcamp [0]. You can follow labels or musicians to get notified of new releases, most of the time you can stream the whole album unlimited times for free before deciding to buy it, downloads have multiple formats available including lossless. It’s where I get 99% of my music from (the outliers being some very few I have to get from Amazon, and one Danish dude [1] who hates the modern world and only sells CDs via snail mail) For new Metal releases, I used to subscribe to the RSS feed for a Metal torrent tracker, I mostly stopped listening to bigger bands, but before that, the notifications were better than what I could find elsewhere. [0]: https://bandcamp.com/ https://bandcamp.com/ [1]: https://nagelfestmusic.com/ https://nagelfestmusic.com/

benrjackson 5y ago
Thanks for the second link. Years ago I emailed Erik Ravn about getting copies of some hard to find Wuthering Heights albums. He mentioned that he was working on remasters after he got the rights back from the record company. Glad to see he finally got it done.
- Semaphor 5y ago
  Yeah, more are still to come. Also check out his new project, Beltane Born. Not the same (or even similar to) as Wuthering Heights, but still great :) If he keeps releasing more stuff, I might actually have to buy an external CD drive to rip his music instead of waiting till I visit my parents ;)

knaik94 5y ago

I understand that you said you want to own music but I would suggest separating discovery from your library. You should let yourself listen to singles released via streaming as long it has corresponding artist and title name. Internet radio is still going strong. I know in the US many popular traditional radio stations have an online stream as well. You will have to be okay with ads though. If you're focused on a getting a multi-track experience, I would strongly recommend looking up live show recordings of some of your favorite artists. You will have to use YouTube or SoundCloud or wherever because it's rare that an artists release a show on something like a bluray. I have seen it in Kpop but not much in the west. Netflix and Disney plus have gotten into releasing documentary concerts like Taylor Swift's Folklore: The Long Pond Studio Sessions. The Billboard's top 100 is still a pretty decent way to expose yourself to new releases.

conradfr 5y ago

Well there's still radio! You have a vast amount of professional and amateur radios at your disposal thanks to api like radio-browser.info [0] which many sites and mobile apps use. In fact I do such a site myself [1] (but I'm not Russ Hanneman) ;) Personally I miss Google Play Music and its automatic playlists A LOT. [0] https://www.radio-browser.info/users https://www.radio-browser.info/users [1] https://www.radio-addict.com/en/streaming https://www.radio-addict.com/en/streaming