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This comment is disaster porn for doomers, preppers, and second comers. Being the 2nd largest manufacturer isn't good enough? Having history's most powerful mil

This comment is disaster porn for doomers, preppers, and second comers. Being the 2nd largest manufacturer isn't good enough? Having history's most powerful military isn't good enough? Having $63k gdp per capita during a pandemic year isn't good enough? >You'll look back on the plague years, and remember them as the calm before the storm. There's zero evidence this will be true. If anything we'll see this as the dawn of chasing fascism out of the country and a rise of class consciousness for workers and what work life means and how wealth disparity hurts us all. I find the doomers of the world fear exactly this and pray for a collapse than see a leftward swing as millennials and gen-z take power from the doomer-friendly ultra-conservatism so many in the USA accept uncritically.

kragen 5y ago
> >You'll look back on the plague years, and remember them as the calm before the storm. > There's zero evidence this will be true. If anything we'll see this as the dawn of chasing fascism out of the country and a rise of class consciousness for workers...and how wealth disparity hurts us all. When Russia and China had a "dawn of chasing fascism out of the country and a rise of class consciousness for workers and how wealth disparity hurts us all," that was "the calm before the storm." The storm included GULAG, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the greatest famine in human history, decades of economic stagnation, and ultimately civilizational collapse in Russia. PRC escaped that fate because, after the Cultural Revolution, class consciousness and eliminating wealth disparity went out of fashion, and consequently it went from being one of the world's poorest countries to one of the richest. When videos of Americans tearing down statues went viral a few years back, lots of Chinese people thought it was hilarious that the Cultural Revolution had come to the US.
- drzaiusapelord 5y ago
  The USA is not a totalitarian communist regime. A move leftward for a Democratic capitalist society is modeled on Nordic states, which have the highest outcomes in the world in terms of nearly everything good for humanity. Comparing US liberalism to 1920s communism is highly disingenuous and makes me unable to remotely take your comment seriously.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    Ah, the old "socialism with Scandinavian characteristics". Never mind that e.g. Denmark has some of the highest scores in economic freedom, I wonder how some people square that fact with their contention that Denmark proves "socialism works".
  - kragen 5y ago
    There's nothing disingenuous about my comment. Your completely baseless insult to my integrity should not have been posted on this site and will not be forgotten. The Nordic states are not based on the rise of class consciousness. They are capitalist countries, by some measures among the most capitalist in the world. Nor are they especially based on chasing fascism out of the country, except in the sense that their current governments were established after the Allies chased the Germans out during World War II. (Except Sweden, which remained neutral.) None of them have explicit laws against Holocaust denial, for example, which are typically the first resort for chasing fascists out of the country. And none of them have in fact chased fascists out of the country. Even though founding fascist parties has been illegal in Finland since they kicked out the Russians in 01944, no Nordic country has banned Sverigedemokraterna (literal Nazis), Bevara Sverige Svenskt (even more literal Nazis), Alternativ för Sverige (expelled from Sverigedemokraterna for being too Nazi), Norsk Front (literal Nazis that became less popular after they started bombing things), Sverigepartiet (intermediate literal Nazis), Vitt Ariskt Motstånd (a literal Nazi criminal gang), Kohti Vapautta! (literal Nazis), Norges Nasjonalsosialistiske Bevegelse (such literal Nazis they actually have "national socialist" in their name), Danmarks Nationalsocialistiske Bevægelse (literal Nazi party sort of going back to the 01930s), Vigrid (literal Nazis), the Norsk Hedensk Front (literal Nazis), Boot Boys (literal Nazi murderers), the Svenskarnas parti (former literal Nazis), the Folkfronten (literal Nazis), the Nationaldemokraterna (arguably Nazis), Nationalsocialistiska Arbetarepartiet/Svensk Socialistisk Samling (the WWII-era Swedish Nazis that drew up lists of local Jews for when the Nazis invaded), Danskernes Parti (literal Nazis), Stram Kurs (Quran-burning party whose objective is genocide against Muslims), Nordisk Styrka (literal Nazi violent criminals), Perussuomalaiset (fascists with 38 seats in the Finnish parliament), Sinimusta Liike (expelled from Perussuomalaiset for being too fascist), Dansk Folkeparti (an anti-Muslim party with 16 seats in the Danish parliament, resulting in Europe's strictest immigration laws), Sinivalkoinen Rintama/Vapauspuolue (ultranationalists), Suomen Kansan Sinivalkoiset/Finlands Folkets Blåvita (ultranationalists now merged into Sinivalkoinen Rintama), Odinin Sotilaat (anti-immigrant vigilante criminals), or the Svensk Hednisk Front (literal Nazis), and only Finland has banned the international Nazi terrorist conspiracy Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen/Pohjoismainen Vastarintaliike (since 02019). Sweden banned the uniform of the Nationalsocialistisk front (who are also literal Nazis, as you might have guessed from the name) but not the actual party. So if you want to start expelling US citizens from the US because they have shitty politics, well, I know where that road leads, and it isn't modern Nordic states. Governments are the only organizations capable of chasing people out of the country, and by their nature, they aren't actually capable of discriminating against people with shitty politics; the closest they can come is to discriminate against people whose politics conflict with those of the government. Neither Russia nor China was a totalitarian communist regime before their "dawn of chasing fascism out of the country and a rise of class consciousness for workers and how wealth disparity hurts us all." The totalitarian communist part came later, as a result of that "dawn". The atom of truth in your farrago of falsehoods is that the Nordic countries have among the lowest economic inequality in the world. To some extent this is a result of economic redistribution policies and the accompanying high tax rates, but to a very great extent it's a result of liberalism, which allows ordinary people to achieve prosperity by working for it.

kragen 5y ago

> >You'll look back on the plague years, and remember them as the calm before the storm. > There's zero evidence this will be true. If anything we'll see this as the dawn of chasing fascism out of the country and a rise of class consciousness for workers...and how wealth disparity hurts us all. When Russia and China had a "dawn of chasing fascism out of the country and a rise of class consciousness for workers and how wealth disparity hurts us all," that was "the calm before the storm." The storm included GULAG, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the greatest famine in human history, decades of economic stagnation, and ultimately civilizational collapse in Russia. PRC escaped that fate because, after the Cultural Revolution, class consciousness and eliminating wealth disparity went out of fashion, and consequently it went from being one of the world's poorest countries to one of the richest. When videos of Americans tearing down statues went viral a few years back, lots of Chinese people thought it was hilarious that the Cultural Revolution had come to the US.

drzaiusapelord 5y ago
The USA is not a totalitarian communist regime. A move leftward for a Democratic capitalist society is modeled on Nordic states, which have the highest outcomes in the world in terms of nearly everything good for humanity. Comparing US liberalism to 1920s communism is highly disingenuous and makes me unable to remotely take your comment seriously.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  Ah, the old "socialism with Scandinavian characteristics". Never mind that e.g. Denmark has some of the highest scores in economic freedom, I wonder how some people square that fact with their contention that Denmark proves "socialism works".
- kragen 5y ago
  There's nothing disingenuous about my comment. Your completely baseless insult to my integrity should not have been posted on this site and will not be forgotten. The Nordic states are not based on the rise of class consciousness. They are capitalist countries, by some measures among the most capitalist in the world. Nor are they especially based on chasing fascism out of the country, except in the sense that their current governments were established after the Allies chased the Germans out during World War II. (Except Sweden, which remained neutral.) None of them have explicit laws against Holocaust denial, for example, which are typically the first resort for chasing fascists out of the country. And none of them have in fact chased fascists out of the country. Even though founding fascist parties has been illegal in Finland since they kicked out the Russians in 01944, no Nordic country has banned Sverigedemokraterna (literal Nazis), Bevara Sverige Svenskt (even more literal Nazis), Alternativ för Sverige (expelled from Sverigedemokraterna for being too Nazi), Norsk Front (literal Nazis that became less popular after they started bombing things), Sverigepartiet (intermediate literal Nazis), Vitt Ariskt Motstånd (a literal Nazi criminal gang), Kohti Vapautta! (literal Nazis), Norges Nasjonalsosialistiske Bevegelse (such literal Nazis they actually have "national socialist" in their name), Danmarks Nationalsocialistiske Bevægelse (literal Nazi party sort of going back to the 01930s), Vigrid (literal Nazis), the Norsk Hedensk Front (literal Nazis), Boot Boys (literal Nazi murderers), the Svenskarnas parti (former literal Nazis), the Folkfronten (literal Nazis), the Nationaldemokraterna (arguably Nazis), Nationalsocialistiska Arbetarepartiet/Svensk Socialistisk Samling (the WWII-era Swedish Nazis that drew up lists of local Jews for when the Nazis invaded), Danskernes Parti (literal Nazis), Stram Kurs (Quran-burning party whose objective is genocide against Muslims), Nordisk Styrka (literal Nazi violent criminals), Perussuomalaiset (fascists with 38 seats in the Finnish parliament), Sinimusta Liike (expelled from Perussuomalaiset for being too fascist), Dansk Folkeparti (an anti-Muslim party with 16 seats in the Danish parliament, resulting in Europe's strictest immigration laws), Sinivalkoinen Rintama/Vapauspuolue (ultranationalists), Suomen Kansan Sinivalkoiset/Finlands Folkets Blåvita (ultranationalists now merged into Sinivalkoinen Rintama), Odinin Sotilaat (anti-immigrant vigilante criminals), or the Svensk Hednisk Front (literal Nazis), and only Finland has banned the international Nazi terrorist conspiracy Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen/Pohjoismainen Vastarintaliike (since 02019). Sweden banned the uniform of the Nationalsocialistisk front (who are also literal Nazis, as you might have guessed from the name) but not the actual party. So if you want to start expelling US citizens from the US because they have shitty politics, well, I know where that road leads, and it isn't modern Nordic states. Governments are the only organizations capable of chasing people out of the country, and by their nature, they aren't actually capable of discriminating against people with shitty politics; the closest they can come is to discriminate against people whose politics conflict with those of the government. Neither Russia nor China was a totalitarian communist regime before their "dawn of chasing fascism out of the country and a rise of class consciousness for workers and how wealth disparity hurts us all." The totalitarian communist part came later, as a result of that "dawn". The atom of truth in your farrago of falsehoods is that the Nordic countries have among the lowest economic inequality in the world. To some extent this is a result of economic redistribution policies and the accompanying high tax rates, but to a very great extent it's a result of liberalism, which allows ordinary people to achieve prosperity by working for it.