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The police already have the authority to chase you, shoot your tires, throw spike strips in front of you, ram you, and anything else they deem necessary to forc

by dTal 5y ago

The police already have the authority to chase you, shoot your tires, throw spike strips in front of you, ram you, and anything else they deem necessary to forcibly stop you. Formalizing this power in the form of technology which obviates the need for such hazardous measures doesn't really seem like some terrible encroachment on civil liberties.

loceng 5y ago
It sounds to me like the equivalent of taking your guns away. A zero effort kill switch makes the cost to the state much closer to zero if they don't have the counter force of individuals - and forget bad actors or actual criminals, I'm speaking to the safeguard and mechanism of making sure the individual is adequately equipped to take on a potential tyrannical threat with other sovereign individuals.
Andys 5y ago
But for those traditional techniques, they have to be "right there". Presumably this new technology will allow them to disable the vehicle remotely from potentially thousand of miles away.
bigodbiel 5y ago
It’s all about making this empowerment as frictionless as possible, preferably with a press of a button, no need to hot pursuit and then filing reports. Which to me is troubling.
jevoten 5y ago
They already have the authority (if they get a warrant) to bug your home, too. Wouldn't it be so much easier if all homes came with bugs pre-installed (and illegal to remove), and the warrant would just allow the police to remotely activate them? In fact, they have the authority to arrest you, too. But that can involve a dangerous chase, the subject can resist, etc.. wouldn't it make sense to obviate the need for such hazardous measures if everyone had to wear a shock collar? Then instead of a dangerous physical confrontation, non-compliant subjects can be subdued with a safe, remotely-triggered shock. Forcibly resisting authority is never legitimate (that's what democracy and the legal system are for), and certainly never legal, so such measures wouldn't infringe on any rights. After all, they only enable already legal police actions, and the only civilian activity that they hamper is illegal.
- salawat 5y ago
  Legal systems are just violence with blood spill that's more metaphorical than most care to get up in arms about. I really wish people would keep solidly in minds eye that what we've got is the worst.... Besides everything else we tried.
josephcsible 5y ago
The encroachment on civil liberties is when things you own are made to work against your interests.

by dTal 5y ago

loceng 5y ago

It sounds to me like the equivalent of taking your guns away. A zero effort kill switch makes the cost to the state much closer to zero if they don't have the counter force of individuals - and forget bad actors or actual criminals, I'm speaking to the safeguard and mechanism of making sure the individual is adequately equipped to take on a potential tyrannical threat with other sovereign individuals.

Andys 5y ago

But for those traditional techniques, they have to be "right there". Presumably this new technology will allow them to disable the vehicle remotely from potentially thousand of miles away.

bigodbiel 5y ago

It’s all about making this empowerment as frictionless as possible, preferably with a press of a button, no need to hot pursuit and then filing reports. Which to me is troubling.

jevoten 5y ago

They already have the authority (if they get a warrant) to bug your home, too. Wouldn't it be so much easier if all homes came with bugs pre-installed (and illegal to remove), and the warrant would just allow the police to remotely activate them? In fact, they have the authority to arrest you, too. But that can involve a dangerous chase, the subject can resist, etc.. wouldn't it make sense to obviate the need for such hazardous measures if everyone had to wear a shock collar? Then instead of a dangerous physical confrontation, non-compliant subjects can be subdued with a safe, remotely-triggered shock. Forcibly resisting authority is never legitimate (that's what democracy and the legal system are for), and certainly never legal, so such measures wouldn't infringe on any rights. After all, they only enable already legal police actions, and the only civilian activity that they hamper is illegal.

salawat 5y ago
Legal systems are just violence with blood spill that's more metaphorical than most care to get up in arms about. I really wish people would keep solidly in minds eye that what we've got is the worst.... Besides everything else we tried.

josephcsible 5y ago

The encroachment on civil liberties is when things you own are made to work against your interests.