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"In light of the thousands of eye witness accounts, is it sensible to say that?" Well, this is funny, because here's the issue on which Dawkins fails completel
by coward_anon 15y ago
"In light of the thousands of eye witness accounts, is it sensible to say that?"
Well, this is funny, because here's the issue on which Dawkins fails completely to apply the principles he advocates we all should.
Incidentally, so do you. You claim thousands of eye witness accounts. Well, how many of those have been independently verified? Furthermore, even the highly know and regarded ones are ridden with inconsistencies and outright lies (I'm thinking Elie Wiesel here).
And even if they were there remains the point that no hard proof whatsoever has been produced to support the claim that the Holocaust as is told today ever happened. No documents exist that don't require a double interpretation to support such claim. No gas chambers that differ any bit from standard delousing chambers used at the time, even in the US, have ever been uncovered. This could go on.
I'm not trying to advocate for one version or the other. That's not the point. The point is, that this issue is NEVER applied the same principles that are applied to a rational inquiry or scientific endeavour or even a case being judged in a court of law. If you don't believe me, well, go and check by yourself. But don't just limit yourself to the Yad Vashem because that's the same as reading the Bible and saying it proves itself (although there are plenty of inconsistencies in the Yad Vashem data curiously).
I admire Dawkins and his work, but the truth is, in the issue of the Holocaust he's as stupid as the people he accuses of being stupid. Even worse, I bet he would viciously defend his stupidity against anyone who would challenge him otherwise.
- jorangreef 15y agoI'm sure you are more painfully familiar with the matter than I am. I have an adopted Jewish aunt. Her mother and father put her on one of the last trains to leave Germany for England. At the last second her mother pushed her baby sister through the window to her. She never saw her parents again. I have a Jewish friend who's grandfather was one of the last survivors of a concentration camp, and who walked to Israel and started repairing shoes on the streets of Tel Aviv. I live across the road from the South African Jewish Museum, and I have seen the photographs. I am not a historian and I do not claim to be one, but I think it's sensible to say that something happened, and that hundreds of thousands of people died and were affected. Furthermore, anyone who would suggest these things never happened would have some "explaining away" to do.
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- gyardley 15y agoThere are mountains of evidence - in fact, mountains of bodies - that 'support the claim that the Holocaust as is told today ever happened'. That the Holocaust occurred is completely and utterly beyond question. Next time you choose to post this sort of thing from an anonymous account, just write 'I'm an antisemite' instead. It'll save us all time.
- jorangreef 15y ago"That the Holocaust occurred is completely and utterly beyond question." It's painful that there is even the need to remind people of this.
- AndyKelley 15y agoI hesitate to say that anything is "beyond question." But upon questioning the holocaust, the answer to the question immediately becomes obvious.