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I don’t trust the nanny state of the EU, or of any nation, to be able to block “illegal content” this way. Today it’s “think of the children” fearmongering to j

I don’t trust the nanny state of the EU, or of any nation, to be able to block “illegal content” this way. Today it’s “think of the children” fearmongering to justify it. Tomorrow it’s gulag for anyone who isn’t on board with whatever orthodoxy takes hold of the EU. Dark times ahead if someone like Macron, for example, can block content he deems illegal. They will strip people of a voice even more aggressively than they’d like to do right now.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago
As an European, if I think about "not being on board with the orthodoxy" current DNS system that relies on Google or Cloudflare is far more dangerous for me than an European run infrastructure. EU is frankly more liberal as of today than any other continent on the planet, I'm not scared of a guglag resurgence anytime soon. Anyway, the article quotes the proposal, think of the children it's not there, it's about something more reasonable "DNS4EU shall offer a high level of resilience, global and EU-specific cybersecurity protection, data protection and privacy according to EU rules, ensure that DNS resolution data are processed in Europe and personal data are not monetised”
- wait_a_minute 5y ago
  More liberal? Don't make me laugh. EU doesn't even allow free movement or free participation in society anymore unless you give in to "show me your papers please"
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    > EU doesn't even allow free movement or free participation in society anymore unless you give in to "show me your papers please" Please, don't do that, not here. It's stupid.
    - wait_a_minute 5y ago
      What’s stupid is what you tolerate there while you say it’s the most liberal place.
      - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
        “Stupid is as stupid does” stop doing it. Illiberal is a nazi attack on the Capitol Hill. What's stupid is tolerate this The city of Los Angeles has seen nearly 400 killings at the end of 2021 Los Angeles has a population of 3.9 million people, in Italy, where I live, in 2021 there have been 277 homicides with a population of 59 million people. To put is simply: LA has over 100 homicide per million, Italy has 4.7 Tolerate that people are being killed on the streets like rats is stupid.
        wait_a_minute 5y ago
        I'm European too but I'm living in the USA because of what Europe is becoming. It does no good to tout fewer homicides if you're boxed in and can't participate in society unless "papers please" and you know this. That is why you are responding defensively by pointing out relative homicide rates between an entire country (Italy) and a singular American city (LA). The USA broader homicide rate is much lower than that. It's 7.8, not 100. And it's a complicated issue because the USA is not a homogenous population like most of Europe is. It is a melting pot of many ideas and cultures and a wider variance in economic statuses depending on the geography you occupy here. Even so, it's still not much higher than Italy's when considered at the country level. You do not live in a liberal union if you cannot travel freely and participate freely without showing your overlords that they have control over your bodily autonomy. That is contradictory. It is not the most liberal place on earth. The United States is still the most liberal place on earth.
        peoplefromibiza 5y ago
        > It does no good to tout fewer homicides if you're boxed in and can't participate in society unless "papers please" again: this is a stupid argument. It's not even true. Also: "Here Are The U.S. Cities Where You Need A Covid Vaccine To Dine In A Restaurant" https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/12/22/here-are-the-us-cities-where-you-need-a-covid-vaccine-to-dine-in-a-restaurant/?sh=b19466888218 https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/12/22/he... Mandatory vaccine to go to work https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/04/fact-sheet-biden-administration-announces-details-of-two-major-vaccination-policies/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... > The USA broader homicide rate is much lower than that. It's 7.8, not 100 that's per 100 thousand, not per million. > You do not live in a liberal union if you cannot travel freely and participate freely without showing your overlords that they have control over your bodily autonomy. again: stupid. better safe than dead. you're free to die as you wish, it's not liberal to pose other people at risk because you just don't care. Careless stupidity it's not liberal, it's the most illiberal act a society can tolerate. My US friends are shit-scared of what's going on there. Most of them are musicians, they had more than 90% of their shows canceled due to covid in the past 2 years.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

As an European, if I think about "not being on board with the orthodoxy" current DNS system that relies on Google or Cloudflare is far more dangerous for me than an European run infrastructure. EU is frankly more liberal as of today than any other continent on the planet, I'm not scared of a guglag resurgence anytime soon. Anyway, the article quotes the proposal, think of the children it's not there, it's about something more reasonable "DNS4EU shall offer a high level of resilience, global and EU-specific cybersecurity protection, data protection and privacy according to EU rules, ensure that DNS resolution data are processed in Europe and personal data are not monetised”

wait_a_minute 5y ago
More liberal? Don't make me laugh. EU doesn't even allow free movement or free participation in society anymore unless you give in to "show me your papers please"
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  > EU doesn't even allow free movement or free participation in society anymore unless you give in to "show me your papers please" Please, don't do that, not here. It's stupid.
  - wait_a_minute 5y ago
    What’s stupid is what you tolerate there while you say it’s the most liberal place.
    - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
      “Stupid is as stupid does” stop doing it. Illiberal is a nazi attack on the Capitol Hill. What's stupid is tolerate this The city of Los Angeles has seen nearly 400 killings at the end of 2021 Los Angeles has a population of 3.9 million people, in Italy, where I live, in 2021 there have been 277 homicides with a population of 59 million people. To put is simply: LA has over 100 homicide per million, Italy has 4.7 Tolerate that people are being killed on the streets like rats is stupid.
      - wait_a_minute 5y ago
        I'm European too but I'm living in the USA because of what Europe is becoming. It does no good to tout fewer homicides if you're boxed in and can't participate in society unless "papers please" and you know this. That is why you are responding defensively by pointing out relative homicide rates between an entire country (Italy) and a singular American city (LA). The USA broader homicide rate is much lower than that. It's 7.8, not 100. And it's a complicated issue because the USA is not a homogenous population like most of Europe is. It is a melting pot of many ideas and cultures and a wider variance in economic statuses depending on the geography you occupy here. Even so, it's still not much higher than Italy's when considered at the country level. You do not live in a liberal union if you cannot travel freely and participate freely without showing your overlords that they have control over your bodily autonomy. That is contradictory. It is not the most liberal place on earth. The United States is still the most liberal place on earth.
        peoplefromibiza 5y ago
        > It does no good to tout fewer homicides if you're boxed in and can't participate in society unless "papers please" again: this is a stupid argument. It's not even true. Also: "Here Are The U.S. Cities Where You Need A Covid Vaccine To Dine In A Restaurant" https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/12/22/here-are-the-us-cities-where-you-need-a-covid-vaccine-to-dine-in-a-restaurant/?sh=b19466888218 https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/12/22/he... Mandatory vaccine to go to work https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/04/fact-sheet-biden-administration-announces-details-of-two-major-vaccination-policies/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... > The USA broader homicide rate is much lower than that. It's 7.8, not 100 that's per 100 thousand, not per million. > You do not live in a liberal union if you cannot travel freely and participate freely without showing your overlords that they have control over your bodily autonomy. again: stupid. better safe than dead. you're free to die as you wish, it's not liberal to pose other people at risk because you just don't care. Careless stupidity it's not liberal, it's the most illiberal act a society can tolerate. My US friends are shit-scared of what's going on there. Most of them are musicians, they had more than 90% of their shows canceled due to covid in the past 2 years.