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make us pay more taxes” is ironic. If they wanted to pay “more taxes” they could just as easily stop avoiding taxation (they’d even save up on lobbyists and tax

make us pay more taxes” is ironic. If they wanted to pay “more taxes” they could just as easily stop avoiding taxation (they’d even save up on lobbyists and tax lawyers). But then their rivals who disagree would continue their tax avoidance schemes, becoming wealthier than these “patriotic millionaires” and even, god forbid, forcing them (or their children) to work for the formers!

wolverine876 5y ago
Who in this group of people is avoiding taxes? It serves the interests of the status quo - and it's a well-trodden means of doing it - to attack the messenger rather than address the message.
- wing-_-nuts 5y ago
  The same folks that argue for an overly complicated tax system with tons of loopholes. We should vastly simplify and eliminate most deductions. Taxes are a mechanism for funding the government, it should not be a tool used to encourage one behavior over another. We should have progressive tax system simple enough that my tax return should be able to fit on a post card.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    So who in this group is arguing for an overly complicated tax system?
    - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
      Most of the .1%? Everyone that pays capital gains tax rates. Everyone that runs a business and gets to write off a ton of deductions? I could go on, but the loopholes are innumerable.
      - wolverine876 5y ago
        But we are talking about the group in the OP. Have any of them advocated for it?
gruez 5y ago
> If they wanted to pay “more taxes” they could just as easily stop avoiding taxation (they’d even save up on lobbyists and tax lawyers). You realize that "they" isn't some sort of single entity or hivemind? At a individual level "stop avoiding taxation" suffers from a coordination problem. It'll be great if everybody stopped avoiding taxes, but if you're the only one doing it, you're just the schmuck paying the tax bill of everyone else.

wolverine876 5y ago

Who in this group of people is avoiding taxes? It serves the interests of the status quo - and it's a well-trodden means of doing it - to attack the messenger rather than address the message.

wing-_-nuts 5y ago
The same folks that argue for an overly complicated tax system with tons of loopholes. We should vastly simplify and eliminate most deductions. Taxes are a mechanism for funding the government, it should not be a tool used to encourage one behavior over another. We should have progressive tax system simple enough that my tax return should be able to fit on a post card.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  So who in this group is arguing for an overly complicated tax system?
  - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
    Most of the .1%? Everyone that pays capital gains tax rates. Everyone that runs a business and gets to write off a ton of deductions? I could go on, but the loopholes are innumerable.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      But we are talking about the group in the OP. Have any of them advocated for it?

gruez 5y ago

> If they wanted to pay “more taxes” they could just as easily stop avoiding taxation (they’d even save up on lobbyists and tax lawyers). You realize that "they" isn't some sort of single entity or hivemind? At a individual level "stop avoiding taxation" suffers from a coordination problem. It'll be great if everybody stopped avoiding taxes, but if you're the only one doing it, you're just the schmuck paying the tax bill of everyone else.