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Psychedelics are generally not addictive [0], and if used correctly can help very much with burn out. [1][2] > They are generally considered physiologically sa

Psychedelics are generally not addictive [0], and if used correctly can help very much with burn out. [1][2] > They are generally considered physiologically safe and do not lead to dependence or addiction. [0] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4813425/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4813425/ [1] https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-cure-burnout https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-cure-burnout [2] https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/post/dr-randi-raymond https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/post/dr-randi-raymond Edit: add references [1] and [2]

giantg2 5y ago
It depends. Sure, they are generally not forming chemical dependence. Psychological addiction can still be an issue for people in this situation.
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  Did you even read the phrase I quoted? It specifically says "do not lead to _dependence_ or _addiction_".
  - giantg2 5y ago
    Yes I read it. Do you understand the difference between chemical and psychological addiction? "People abusing mushrooms can become dependent by believing that they need the drug to maintain a sense of enlightenment or happiness." https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocybin-mushrooms/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocyb... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/
    - cassianoleal 5y ago
      I do and I never claimed either _never_ happens. That's what the "generally" [0] bit in the text means. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally
      - giantg2 5y ago
        "They are generally considered physiologically safe and do not lead to dependence or addiction." The way this is written means: They are generally considered physiologically safe. They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Also, you did not quote 'generally' in your response (the one with underscores).
        cassianoleal 5y ago
        Direct quote from my original response: "Psychedelics are generally not addictive". > They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Thanks for making my point. Edit: Also thanks for the downvote. Being that you then proceeded to _not_ counter me with any real arguments, it also helps to make my point. Edit 2: (this will be a bit longer) I think I see what you mean, and I apologise if my writing and understanding was not entirely precise. You're pointing out that the NCBI link I provided (an actual scientific study) specifically states that they _do not_ cause addiction or dependence, whereas the one you linked from Addiction Center (who seems to sell addiction treatments) with no links to studies says that they _might_ happen. Despite my now corrected lack of precision, I'm still missing your point.
        giantg2 5y ago
        Please see my prior linked PubMed article about psychological addiction. My point is that psychological addiction is a concern for burnt out people looking for a solution, or people who quit their job and have time to fill. Psychological addiction is different than chemical addiction.
        cassianoleal 5y ago
        I understand. The PubMed link says nothing about psychedelics though, which is the subject of this thread. It's merely stating the difference between substance and non-substance abuse.
        giantg2 5y ago
nvarsj 5y ago
Self medicating is one of the best ways to become addicted. I think drugs can be useful, but it's also an easy way to escape from your issues, or can make them worse. It depends a lot on the individual and their state of mind.
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  I agree, which is why I wrote "if used correctly". This can mean self-medicating if you know what you're doing, but otherwise these days there are professionals qualified to help. I doubt psychedelics will be used to escape from your issues, but yes - they can make them worse if you're not careful.
  - nvarsj 5y ago
    It's really hard to self medicate when you're head is in the wrong place. It's much easier to abuse in moments of weakness. Like drinking when depressed, etc., which can just become a downward spiral. I agree with the original commentator, who says to avoid drugs as a way to deal, as tempting as they may be - and I've been there.

giantg2 5y ago

It depends. Sure, they are generally not forming chemical dependence. Psychological addiction can still be an issue for people in this situation.

cassianoleal 5y ago
Did you even read the phrase I quoted? It specifically says "do not lead to _dependence_ or _addiction_".
- giantg2 5y ago
  Yes I read it. Do you understand the difference between chemical and psychological addiction? "People abusing mushrooms can become dependent by believing that they need the drug to maintain a sense of enlightenment or happiness." https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocybin-mushrooms/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocyb... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/
  - cassianoleal 5y ago
    I do and I never claimed either _never_ happens. That's what the "generally" [0] bit in the text means. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally
    - giantg2 5y ago
      "They are generally considered physiologically safe and do not lead to dependence or addiction." The way this is written means: They are generally considered physiologically safe. They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Also, you did not quote 'generally' in your response (the one with underscores).
      - cassianoleal 5y ago
        Direct quote from my original response: "Psychedelics are generally not addictive". > They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Thanks for making my point. Edit: Also thanks for the downvote. Being that you then proceeded to _not_ counter me with any real arguments, it also helps to make my point. Edit 2: (this will be a bit longer) I think I see what you mean, and I apologise if my writing and understanding was not entirely precise. You're pointing out that the NCBI link I provided (an actual scientific study) specifically states that they _do not_ cause addiction or dependence, whereas the one you linked from Addiction Center (who seems to sell addiction treatments) with no links to studies says that they _might_ happen. Despite my now corrected lack of precision, I'm still missing your point.
        giantg2 5y ago
        Please see my prior linked PubMed article about psychological addiction. My point is that psychological addiction is a concern for burnt out people looking for a solution, or people who quit their job and have time to fill. Psychological addiction is different than chemical addiction.
        cassianoleal 5y ago
        I understand. The PubMed link says nothing about psychedelics though, which is the subject of this thread. It's merely stating the difference between substance and non-substance abuse.
        giantg2 5y ago

nvarsj 5y ago

Self medicating is one of the best ways to become addicted. I think drugs can be useful, but it's also an easy way to escape from your issues, or can make them worse. It depends a lot on the individual and their state of mind.

cassianoleal 5y ago
I agree, which is why I wrote "if used correctly". This can mean self-medicating if you know what you're doing, but otherwise these days there are professionals qualified to help. I doubt psychedelics will be used to escape from your issues, but yes - they can make them worse if you're not careful.
- nvarsj 5y ago
  It's really hard to self medicate when you're head is in the wrong place. It's much easier to abuse in moments of weakness. Like drinking when depressed, etc., which can just become a downward spiral. I agree with the original commentator, who says to avoid drugs as a way to deal, as tempting as they may be - and I've been there.