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This is a very good list. I'll add my to 2 cents to this. 1. Don't do any addiction. Alcohol, Psychedelics nothing. That's another spiral you won't be able to

This is a very good list. I'll add my to 2 cents to this. 1. Don't do any addiction. Alcohol, Psychedelics nothing. That's another spiral you won't be able to climb out from. 2. Taking some time off is the easiest way to figure out your l life. You will soon be able to realise your priorities in life. I'd say 2 months is good enough a time. But the most important thing is to not attempt doing any work stuff during the time out period.

aqme28 5y ago
"Don'd do any addiction" is unfortunately a lot easier said than done.
cassianoleal 5y ago
Psychedelics are generally not addictive [0], and if used correctly can help very much with burn out. [1][2] > They are generally considered physiologically safe and do not lead to dependence or addiction. [0] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4813425/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4813425/ [1] https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-cure-burnout https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-cure-burnout [2] https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/post/dr-randi-raymond https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/post/dr-randi-raymond Edit: add references [1] and [2]
- giantg2 5y ago
  It depends. Sure, they are generally not forming chemical dependence. Psychological addiction can still be an issue for people in this situation.
  - cassianoleal 5y ago
    Did you even read the phrase I quoted? It specifically says "do not lead to _dependence_ or _addiction_".
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Yes I read it. Do you understand the difference between chemical and psychological addiction? "People abusing mushrooms can become dependent by believing that they need the drug to maintain a sense of enlightenment or happiness." https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocybin-mushrooms/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocyb... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/
      - cassianoleal 5y ago
        I do and I never claimed either _never_ happens. That's what the "generally" [0] bit in the text means. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally
        giantg2 5y ago
        "They are generally considered physiologically safe and do not lead to dependence or addiction." The way this is written means: They are generally considered physiologically safe. They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Also, you did not quote 'generally' in your response (the one with underscores).
        cassianoleal 5y ago
        Direct quote from my original response: "Psychedelics are generally not addictive". > They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Thanks for making my point. Edit: Also thanks for the downvote. Being that you then proceeded to _not_ counter me with any real arguments, it also helps to make my point. Edit 2: (this will be a bit longer) I think I see what you mean, and I apologise if my writing and understanding was not entirely precise. You're pointing out that the NCBI link I provided (an actual scientific study) specifically states that they _do not_ cause addiction or dependence, whereas the one you linked from Addiction Center (who seems to sell addiction treatments) with no links to studies says that they _might_ happen. Despite my now corrected lack of precision, I'm still missing your point.
- nvarsj 5y ago
  Self medicating is one of the best ways to become addicted. I think drugs can be useful, but it's also an easy way to escape from your issues, or can make them worse. It depends a lot on the individual and their state of mind.
  - cassianoleal 5y ago
    I agree, which is why I wrote "if used correctly". This can mean self-medicating if you know what you're doing, but otherwise these days there are professionals qualified to help. I doubt psychedelics will be used to escape from your issues, but yes - they can make them worse if you're not careful.
    - nvarsj 5y ago
      It's really hard to self medicate when you're head is in the wrong place. It's much easier to abuse in moments of weakness. Like drinking when depressed, etc., which can just become a downward spiral. I agree with the original commentator, who says to avoid drugs as a way to deal, as tempting as they may be - and I've been there.
RangerScience 5y ago
Addiction is more of a behavior than a substance (although they are definitely related). Exercise, sex, gambling, work... all can become something you're problematically dependent on. Your therapist should know much more.
CobrastanJorji 5y ago
Also, if you do end up quitting your job or otherwise finding yourself with a lot of free time, be aware that certain video games or media can count as addictions. While video games and such can absolutely be good for you and your recovery, it's surprisingly easy to find yourself suddenly logging 8+ hours per day in World of Warcraft or something, and that's not good for you for a number of reasons.

aqme28 5y ago

"Don'd do any addiction" is unfortunately a lot easier said than done.

cassianoleal 5y ago

Psychedelics are generally not addictive [0], and if used correctly can help very much with burn out. [1][2] > They are generally considered physiologically safe and do not lead to dependence or addiction. [0] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4813425/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4813425/ [1] https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-cure-burnout https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-cure-burnout [2] https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/post/dr-randi-raymond https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/post/dr-randi-raymond Edit: add references [1] and [2]

giantg2 5y ago
It depends. Sure, they are generally not forming chemical dependence. Psychological addiction can still be an issue for people in this situation.
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  Did you even read the phrase I quoted? It specifically says "do not lead to _dependence_ or _addiction_".
  - giantg2 5y ago
    Yes I read it. Do you understand the difference between chemical and psychological addiction? "People abusing mushrooms can become dependent by believing that they need the drug to maintain a sense of enlightenment or happiness." https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocybin-mushrooms/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocyb... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/
    - cassianoleal 5y ago
      I do and I never claimed either _never_ happens. That's what the "generally" [0] bit in the text means. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally
      - giantg2 5y ago
        "They are generally considered physiologically safe and do not lead to dependence or addiction." The way this is written means: They are generally considered physiologically safe. They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Also, you did not quote 'generally' in your response (the one with underscores).
        cassianoleal 5y ago
        Direct quote from my original response: "Psychedelics are generally not addictive". > They do not lead to dependence or addiction. Thanks for making my point. Edit: Also thanks for the downvote. Being that you then proceeded to _not_ counter me with any real arguments, it also helps to make my point. Edit 2: (this will be a bit longer) I think I see what you mean, and I apologise if my writing and understanding was not entirely precise. You're pointing out that the NCBI link I provided (an actual scientific study) specifically states that they _do not_ cause addiction or dependence, whereas the one you linked from Addiction Center (who seems to sell addiction treatments) with no links to studies says that they _might_ happen. Despite my now corrected lack of precision, I'm still missing your point.
nvarsj 5y ago
Self medicating is one of the best ways to become addicted. I think drugs can be useful, but it's also an easy way to escape from your issues, or can make them worse. It depends a lot on the individual and their state of mind.
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  I agree, which is why I wrote "if used correctly". This can mean self-medicating if you know what you're doing, but otherwise these days there are professionals qualified to help. I doubt psychedelics will be used to escape from your issues, but yes - they can make them worse if you're not careful.
  - nvarsj 5y ago
    It's really hard to self medicate when you're head is in the wrong place. It's much easier to abuse in moments of weakness. Like drinking when depressed, etc., which can just become a downward spiral. I agree with the original commentator, who says to avoid drugs as a way to deal, as tempting as they may be - and I've been there.

RangerScience 5y ago

Addiction is more of a behavior than a substance (although they are definitely related). Exercise, sex, gambling, work... all can become something you're problematically dependent on. Your therapist should know much more.

CobrastanJorji 5y ago

Also, if you do end up quitting your job or otherwise finding yourself with a lot of free time, be aware that certain video games or media can count as addictions. While video games and such can absolutely be good for you and your recovery, it's surprisingly easy to find yourself suddenly logging 8+ hours per day in World of Warcraft or something, and that's not good for you for a number of reasons.