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I'm English and I'm not. It's a short sighted bid by a PM who's dying on his arse to try and keep support from his lunatic 'covid sceptic' backbenchers. Masks

I'm English and I'm not. It's a short sighted bid by a PM who's dying on his arse to try and keep support from his lunatic 'covid sceptic' backbenchers. Masks are a simple and effective way of keeping down community transmission and it is a ridiculous stance to take when case loads remain high. I will continue to wear a mask.

thehappypm 5y ago
Go for it.
nojokes 5y ago
- dang 5y ago
  Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - nojokes 5y ago
    I am sorry, but I was factual. I am following social media very closely and this is how it will pan out based on my experience. Can somebody please rephrase it in a way that will not violate the guidelines but stays factual?
    - dang 5y ago
      "Factual" is neither here nor there when it comes to flamewar comments: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20infinitely%20many%20facts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... Also, the name-calling in your GP comment does not count as factual.
      - nojokes 5y ago
        I am sorry, it is not name calling, but specific term that describes specific people. When I say Nazis, it is not name calling when I mean Nazis and not somebody who I may think is like them. Or should I use another term when I speak about Germans belonging to German Nationalist Party? I am not talking about people who prefer to not wear a mask when possible or who are afraid to vaccinate because they have heard too many fear stories about vaccines. I am talking about specific people who spread FUD about masks or vaccines. How should we call them? I think these are precise enough terms and are well understood and widely accepted. I have personally seen enough evidence that this kind of behavior is shared by the same people. I have also seen enough evidence to deduce that they will do exactly what I told that they will do. Shall I not write about this prediction? Even when this is based on very specific observations about said people over longer period of time? I just do not want to put too many details about myself into public so that I could not be easily identified. I know that this does reduce my credibility though. I am sorry. I understand that these are perhaps not a kind kind of terms and perhaps they do not like to be called like that but so did Nazis. I think it is not enough to stop using this term for them. I tried to be terse because I tend to write too much. As we can see, in the end it did lead to even more words. I try to be more explanatory in the future such that there is less misunderstanding in my writing.
        dang 5y ago
        I hear you that your intention was not to call names or start a flamewar. Unfortunately, comments that are (a) on divisive topics and (b) don't include much information can turn into flamebait all too easily—in effect if not intent. (I've written about this at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=troll%20effects%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... and https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=disambiguate%20burden%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....) At a minimum, you should be careful to avoid swipey phrases like "wave of wailing" (and arguably also "anti-vaxxer crowd). Such pejorative phrases are sparks that can easily set fire to the fuel. I hope that helps a bit.

thehappypm 5y ago

Go for it.

nojokes 5y ago

dang 5y ago
Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- nojokes 5y ago
  I am sorry, but I was factual. I am following social media very closely and this is how it will pan out based on my experience. Can somebody please rephrase it in a way that will not violate the guidelines but stays factual?
  - dang 5y ago
    "Factual" is neither here nor there when it comes to flamewar comments: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20infinitely%20many%20facts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... Also, the name-calling in your GP comment does not count as factual.
    - nojokes 5y ago
      I am sorry, it is not name calling, but specific term that describes specific people. When I say Nazis, it is not name calling when I mean Nazis and not somebody who I may think is like them. Or should I use another term when I speak about Germans belonging to German Nationalist Party? I am not talking about people who prefer to not wear a mask when possible or who are afraid to vaccinate because they have heard too many fear stories about vaccines. I am talking about specific people who spread FUD about masks or vaccines. How should we call them? I think these are precise enough terms and are well understood and widely accepted. I have personally seen enough evidence that this kind of behavior is shared by the same people. I have also seen enough evidence to deduce that they will do exactly what I told that they will do. Shall I not write about this prediction? Even when this is based on very specific observations about said people over longer period of time? I just do not want to put too many details about myself into public so that I could not be easily identified. I know that this does reduce my credibility though. I am sorry. I understand that these are perhaps not a kind kind of terms and perhaps they do not like to be called like that but so did Nazis. I think it is not enough to stop using this term for them. I tried to be terse because I tend to write too much. As we can see, in the end it did lead to even more words. I try to be more explanatory in the future such that there is less misunderstanding in my writing.
      - dang 5y ago
        I hear you that your intention was not to call names or start a flamewar. Unfortunately, comments that are (a) on divisive topics and (b) don't include much information can turn into flamebait all too easily—in effect if not intent. (I've written about this at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=troll%20effects%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... and https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=disambiguate%20burden%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....) At a minimum, you should be careful to avoid swipey phrases like "wave of wailing" (and arguably also "anti-vaxxer crowd). Such pejorative phrases are sparks that can easily set fire to the fuel. I hope that helps a bit.