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Every single state that has a voter ID law, as a Free ID for the purposes of voting that can be easily obtained. It is false to claim other wise

by syshum 5y ago

joshstrange 5y ago
“Easily be obtained” Doubtful. Not only do they take time (time off from job, time for travel) but they require certain documents which you may or may not have. Even if said documents are free to re-obtain (think SS card or birth certificate) it still takes time and energy to track down. Time is not free. Voting is a right, barriers to it are not ok. In-person voter fraud is practically non-existent and we catch most all who do it. It’s a solution in search of a problem that doesn’t exist essentially.
- syshum 5y ago
  >In-person voter fraud Aside from the fact we are moving away from in-person voting, and mailin voting is far less secure to the point where many other nations do not do it. The claim the there is no fraud is has many many problems and based on a huge amount of assumption. There is very little actual transparency, there is the appearance of transparency, but any time anyone asks any questions is a response of "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE ELECTION", the election is secure because we said it was secure is not a valid position. nor is the position of "well show me the fraud" because the average person lacks the legal standing to actually investigate anything. Instead we have a system of "we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong" The same people that accept this from the election boards, do not accept this from the police... which is another example of political hypocrisy
  - EricDeb 5y ago
    Well there's been well documented/discovered issues with law enforcement and 0 instances of significant documented/discovered issues with voter fraud on a scale that could impact anything.
    - syshum 5y ago
      There have only been documented discovered issues because every person has a phone, and records the police actions in the real time We do not have that opportunity with the election system, but there have been documented questions around voting machines irregularities, process issues, and other non-transparent issues with the process that are dismissed out of hand because "there is no evidence" however no one is allowed to investigate to obtain said evident thus there will always be no evidence

Every single state that has a voter ID law, as a Free ID for the purposes of voting that can be easily obtained. It is false to claim other wise

by syshum 5y ago

Every single state that has a voter ID law, as a Free ID for the purposes of voting that can be easily obtained. It is false to claim other wise

joshstrange 5y ago

“Easily be obtained” Doubtful. Not only do they take time (time off from job, time for travel) but they require certain documents which you may or may not have. Even if said documents are free to re-obtain (think SS card or birth certificate) it still takes time and energy to track down. Time is not free. Voting is a right, barriers to it are not ok. In-person voter fraud is practically non-existent and we catch most all who do it. It’s a solution in search of a problem that doesn’t exist essentially.

syshum 5y ago
>In-person voter fraud Aside from the fact we are moving away from in-person voting, and mailin voting is far less secure to the point where many other nations do not do it. The claim the there is no fraud is has many many problems and based on a huge amount of assumption. There is very little actual transparency, there is the appearance of transparency, but any time anyone asks any questions is a response of "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE ELECTION", the election is secure because we said it was secure is not a valid position. nor is the position of "well show me the fraud" because the average person lacks the legal standing to actually investigate anything. Instead we have a system of "we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong" The same people that accept this from the election boards, do not accept this from the police... which is another example of political hypocrisy
- EricDeb 5y ago
  Well there's been well documented/discovered issues with law enforcement and 0 instances of significant documented/discovered issues with voter fraud on a scale that could impact anything.
  - syshum 5y ago
    There have only been documented discovered issues because every person has a phone, and records the police actions in the real time We do not have that opportunity with the election system, but there have been documented questions around voting machines irregularities, process issues, and other non-transparent issues with the process that are dismissed out of hand because "there is no evidence" however no one is allowed to investigate to obtain said evident thus there will always be no evidence