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That is contradicted by how this phenomenon isn't happening to any other mediums- books, movies, shows. Why should music be any different?

bambax 5y ago
The big difference is you read a book once or maybe twice; same for a movie (maybe three times if it's "cult"); but you listen to a song hundreds of times.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Maybe dozens of times. The novelty of songs wears off after twenty or so replays- heard about this from a pop psychology podcast somewhere. Certainly good feelings towards a song with a personal emotional connection might linger for longer, but there’s still a neurological limit to the novelty.
Crastlon 5y ago
Comparing the arts is something I've never understood. Literature, music, cinema, etc. are all different things.\n Music is different because it can exist without it being recorded, literature, cinema, etc. can't. Non-recorded cinema is live theatre, non-recorded literature is live storytelling. Recorded and live music should be considered as two different things
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Literature preexists media in the form of oral tradition. Your arguments about the exceptionalism of music would invalidate the Odyssey. Your argument of recorded music vs. live music also doesn't make sense- why is a record more recorded than sheets music? If a piece of music is literally written down and can be replicated, it's no less recorded than the most pristine lossless sound file.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  > Recorded and live music should be considered as two different things There is ample evidence you are simply wrong. Recorded music is replacing live music in every possible way. People play recorded music at their weddings and parties - once a staple of live musicians. People play recorded music while working - one of the main places where people used to hum and sing themselves. Where once one might pull out a guitar, today they are more likely to pull out a phone. Sure, live concerts still exist - but this is more like the difference between going to cinema vs watching a movie at home, or eating out at a restaurant vs cooking at home.
tsimionescu 5y ago
Of course it's happening to all other media. When is the last time you got together with your friends and recited an epic poem? When is the last time you acted out one? Writing (and copyright) has been snuffing out oral traditions for thousands of years. Music was the last bastion of folklore for a long, since reading and writing sheet music has never been a widely taught skill, and recording technology only appeared very recently. But today we are essentially living in the first era where there is no folklore, no art of and by the people. The way this will impact culture moving on is extremely hard to predict, but scary.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  There’s folklore everywhere, they’re just in disjointed and perhaps vulgar (as in common) throwaway places you wouldn’t expect. Forums like Twitter or Reddit. YouTube comment copypasta. Viral videos. Memes. It’s dystopian and the lowest of low art, if it can be called art, but how is it not folklore?

bambax 5y ago

The big difference is you read a book once or maybe twice; same for a movie (maybe three times if it's "cult"); but you listen to a song hundreds of times.

Apocryphon 5y ago
Maybe dozens of times. The novelty of songs wears off after twenty or so replays- heard about this from a pop psychology podcast somewhere. Certainly good feelings towards a song with a personal emotional connection might linger for longer, but there’s still a neurological limit to the novelty.

Crastlon 5y ago

Comparing the arts is something I've never understood. Literature, music, cinema, etc. are all different things.\n Music is different because it can exist without it being recorded, literature, cinema, etc. can't. Non-recorded cinema is live theatre, non-recorded literature is live storytelling. Recorded and live music should be considered as two different things

Apocryphon 5y ago
Literature preexists media in the form of oral tradition. Your arguments about the exceptionalism of music would invalidate the Odyssey. Your argument of recorded music vs. live music also doesn't make sense- why is a record more recorded than sheets music? If a piece of music is literally written down and can be replicated, it's no less recorded than the most pristine lossless sound file.
tsimionescu 5y ago
> Recorded and live music should be considered as two different things There is ample evidence you are simply wrong. Recorded music is replacing live music in every possible way. People play recorded music at their weddings and parties - once a staple of live musicians. People play recorded music while working - one of the main places where people used to hum and sing themselves. Where once one might pull out a guitar, today they are more likely to pull out a phone. Sure, live concerts still exist - but this is more like the difference between going to cinema vs watching a movie at home, or eating out at a restaurant vs cooking at home.

tsimionescu 5y ago

Of course it's happening to all other media. When is the last time you got together with your friends and recited an epic poem? When is the last time you acted out one? Writing (and copyright) has been snuffing out oral traditions for thousands of years. Music was the last bastion of folklore for a long, since reading and writing sheet music has never been a widely taught skill, and recording technology only appeared very recently. But today we are essentially living in the first era where there is no folklore, no art of and by the people. The way this will impact culture moving on is extremely hard to predict, but scary.

Apocryphon 5y ago
There’s folklore everywhere, they’re just in disjointed and perhaps vulgar (as in common) throwaway places you wouldn’t expect. Forums like Twitter or Reddit. YouTube comment copypasta. Viral videos. Memes. It’s dystopian and the lowest of low art, if it can be called art, but how is it not folklore?