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This just isn't true? There is tons of new amazing music out there in every genre. You can find amazing new jazz, metal, electronic, bluegrass, etc. You name it

This just isn't true? There is tons of new amazing music out there in every genre. You can find amazing new jazz, metal, electronic, bluegrass, etc. You name it, there is somebody out there making good music in that genre today. You just have to look beyond what is talked about on TV.

dntrkv 5y ago
Half of this thread is literally: old man yells at cloud. How do people continuously fall into this trap? "New X sucks" No, it doesn't. You just don't make an effort to seek out new things and wish everything stayed the same as when you were young.
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  That's kind of missing the point though. In the context of the article, streaming, "an effort to seek out new things" is mostly out of the table. This is about things that are shoved in front of us. Before streaming, we would simply get fed stuff on the TV or the radio, and that's how we discovered music. This has been widely abused to feed us ever worse quality stuff. With streaming it's easy to skip the crap and look for stuff that we like better (within limits), and if the article is right, people are not just sucking up anymore.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    If one's musical tastes are easily satisfied, there wouldn't be discovery be happening regardless of what age one lived in. With streaming, you can easily seek out new things, more easily than ever.
EugeneOZ 5y ago
It's not so easy to find them - they all are invisible in the huge crowd of hip-hop records.
- ironman1478 5y ago
  Yeah, but I don't think good new music has ever been easy to find? I think things like spotify's "discover weekly" has made it a lot easier than it used to be though.
  - EugeneOZ 5y ago
    “discover weekly” will consist of rap by 90%, even if I never “liked” any rap song. “If the majority of people love it, you should too - swallow”.
    - sjostrom7 5y ago
      It certainly doesn't for me. Once you listen to things (presumably things you like), it updates your suggestions and offers a lot of more fine-tuned stations and mixes.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  The internet has made it easier than ever to find them. There is literally more discoverability in music than in all of human history.
  - EugeneOZ 5y ago
    Really? How do you see it? For example, I need some stream of new jazz/electro-swing music - what should I do? Just entering it into the search engine and manually checking every given result (which will not be songs, but some articles and playlists) will not work.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      I use Last.fm which tags artists to similar ones, which is admittedly an older platform, but I also use Bandcamp, Spotify, and YouTube. It's trivial, I just search for bands that sound like whatever I like and sample their tracks. You don't even need music platforms to do this, Wikipedia has copious lists of musical groups for any given genre, or just the influences or affiliated acts of artists I already like. Beyond that, there's always been an ecosystem of music blogs and music journalism web sites since the early '00s, some still continuing today, and whenever they talk about bands they tend to refer to other ones. You really just need a music platform to sample referenced acts, which YouTube is the universal one. It's really not that difficult.
tablespoon 5y ago
>> The music industry has been feeding us this crap more and more since the last 2 or 3 decades. Shoving it down everybody's throats is easy when they have no choice, but I guess people are getting tired of the sameness and looking for things with more nuance. Streaming gives us control over what goes into our ears and it seems that we like good things even if they are not as well produced. > You name it, there is somebody out there making good music in that genre today. You just have to look beyond what is talked about on TV. Sure, but that assertion doesn't actually help with finding those musicians. It could both be true that 1) great music is being produced AND 2) the horizons of the commercial/mainstream music industry have contracted, making those musicians harder for most people to discover. Sort of like how the movie industry is focusing more and more on easily exported comic book blockbusters, at the expense of middle-budget dramas and comedies. Then there's also the fact that the streaming revolution has made crap easier to find, and there's a lot more crap than good stuff, which hurts discoverability. As an example: I've been looking for kids music on Spotify recently, and it's a sea of low-effort auto-tuned garbage from people following the economics of spam. It's pretty much impossible to find a good version of a classic song unless you already know the artist.
- ironman1478 5y ago
  Spotify's discover weekly has worked remarkably well for me! I've been able to find tons of new music (and old to be fair) that fits within my musical tastes. Combining that with a bit of effort on my part to google for new music and I've been able to find tons of good stuff.

dntrkv 5y ago

Half of this thread is literally: old man yells at cloud. How do people continuously fall into this trap? "New X sucks" No, it doesn't. You just don't make an effort to seek out new things and wish everything stayed the same as when you were young.

cassianoleal 5y ago
That's kind of missing the point though. In the context of the article, streaming, "an effort to seek out new things" is mostly out of the table. This is about things that are shoved in front of us. Before streaming, we would simply get fed stuff on the TV or the radio, and that's how we discovered music. This has been widely abused to feed us ever worse quality stuff. With streaming it's easy to skip the crap and look for stuff that we like better (within limits), and if the article is right, people are not just sucking up anymore.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  If one's musical tastes are easily satisfied, there wouldn't be discovery be happening regardless of what age one lived in. With streaming, you can easily seek out new things, more easily than ever.

EugeneOZ 5y ago

It's not so easy to find them - they all are invisible in the huge crowd of hip-hop records.

ironman1478 5y ago
Yeah, but I don't think good new music has ever been easy to find? I think things like spotify's "discover weekly" has made it a lot easier than it used to be though.
- EugeneOZ 5y ago
  “discover weekly” will consist of rap by 90%, even if I never “liked” any rap song. “If the majority of people love it, you should too - swallow”.
  - sjostrom7 5y ago
    It certainly doesn't for me. Once you listen to things (presumably things you like), it updates your suggestions and offers a lot of more fine-tuned stations and mixes.
Apocryphon 5y ago
The internet has made it easier than ever to find them. There is literally more discoverability in music than in all of human history.
- EugeneOZ 5y ago
  Really? How do you see it? For example, I need some stream of new jazz/electro-swing music - what should I do? Just entering it into the search engine and manually checking every given result (which will not be songs, but some articles and playlists) will not work.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    I use Last.fm which tags artists to similar ones, which is admittedly an older platform, but I also use Bandcamp, Spotify, and YouTube. It's trivial, I just search for bands that sound like whatever I like and sample their tracks. You don't even need music platforms to do this, Wikipedia has copious lists of musical groups for any given genre, or just the influences or affiliated acts of artists I already like. Beyond that, there's always been an ecosystem of music blogs and music journalism web sites since the early '00s, some still continuing today, and whenever they talk about bands they tend to refer to other ones. You really just need a music platform to sample referenced acts, which YouTube is the universal one. It's really not that difficult.

tablespoon 5y ago

>> The music industry has been feeding us this crap more and more since the last 2 or 3 decades. Shoving it down everybody's throats is easy when they have no choice, but I guess people are getting tired of the sameness and looking for things with more nuance. Streaming gives us control over what goes into our ears and it seems that we like good things even if they are not as well produced. > You name it, there is somebody out there making good music in that genre today. You just have to look beyond what is talked about on TV. Sure, but that assertion doesn't actually help with finding those musicians. It could both be true that 1) great music is being produced AND 2) the horizons of the commercial/mainstream music industry have contracted, making those musicians harder for most people to discover. Sort of like how the movie industry is focusing more and more on easily exported comic book blockbusters, at the expense of middle-budget dramas and comedies. Then there's also the fact that the streaming revolution has made crap easier to find, and there's a lot more crap than good stuff, which hurts discoverability. As an example: I've been looking for kids music on Spotify recently, and it's a sea of low-effort auto-tuned garbage from people following the economics of spam. It's pretty much impossible to find a good version of a classic song unless you already know the artist.

ironman1478 5y ago
Spotify's discover weekly has worked remarkably well for me! I've been able to find tons of new music (and old to be fair) that fits within my musical tastes. Combining that with a bit of effort on my part to google for new music and I've been able to find tons of good stuff.