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> Also, what's a typical path going from a team manager (EM1) to senior manager (EM2)? What are the things I should focus on to show I'm ready for managing mana
by Jemaclus 5y ago
> Also, what's a typical path going from a team manager (EM1) to senior manager (EM2)? What are the things I should focus on to show I'm ready for managing managers? (I understand it can take a few years)
(Qualifications: Director-level with several managers reporting to me in 60 eng org.)
You got a lot of answers for the first part, but not much for the second part. For the second part, I would recommend reading "The Manager's Path" by Camille Fournier. It's a great, short read that really lays out the different roles and responsibilities at different levels, and it does so at a high enough level that it should be relevant to most companies.
More concretely, this is a conversation you should have with your boss! The criteria for moving up in your career can differ from company to company, and your boss is going to be your best ally to get there. (If your boss is NOT interested in helping you, find a new boss!)
That said, don't skip too far ahead. Focus on doing a really good job with your own team, and once you've got that down and rock solid, then start to think about next steps of taking on multiple teams. It's kind of a totally different beast to manage multiple teams, but having the fundamentals down will make it more incremental than it would otherwise be. It's good to have a milestone down the road, but put 90% of your effort toward the short term and 10% toward making sure you're still moving toward those goals.
Good luck!
- anonymousJim12 5y agoCounterpoint, I read "The Manager's Path" and I found it to be a pretty redundant overview of the management path for someone in an org that has a well defined management structure/path and that started out as an IC and is now in an M1 role. ie, I had plenty of time to observe as an IC and then when I was ready for the switch I had a good understanding of what good management looks like, expectations were set and a solid group of mentors in my management chain. To me it's a good book if: - You are an IC in a "flat" organization/startup that wants to learn how the management path works at large companies - You are now a manager that did not develop in an environment with a well defined management path. You are winging it and want to implement best practices.
- Jemaclus 5y agoI agree, but OP is clearly in that second camp, or they wouldn't be asking here ;)