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Yeah I don’t know how to feel about this. I still have a license that allows me to use it with a local vault. But I really want to get the family subscription.

Yeah I don’t know how to feel about this. I still have a license that allows me to use it with a local vault. But I really want to get the family subscription. The Premium BitWarden plan is much cheaper than 1Password but the the Family plan doesn’t get you as much of a discount and my parents are on iPhones. Edit: Dave Teare, the 1Password guy claims that when they were still offering standalone licences in 2018, people picked subscriptions over perpetual licences at more than a 30:1 ratio. Of course, they only showed the monthly price vs the perpetual price. But I’d hope people understand what subscription means.

clairity 5y ago
does anyone know definitively which is the last 1password version that doesn't require cloud? some folks are saying it's v6 but i have 7.8.7, and everything seems to be working fine, as far as i can tell. i still use local vaults and dropbox syncing to my ios devices without issue.
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
  The last time they offered stand-alone licenses was 1Password 7 in 2018. Not that long ago. But they seem to have made it harder and harder to get at the local vault settings. Version 8 will only be subscription based.
  - clairity 5y ago
    so ixnay to version 8 then. are you for sure that there's no version 7 point upgrade that's broken like that? my original license was 1password 3 (teams edition or something like that?) i believe, which i'd been upgrading all along. too bad they'll lose all this recurring revenue, even if it's not strictly as uniform and regular as subscriptions.
    - 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
      No I’m not. But version 7.8.7 is not that old. Previously it was one license per user per platform. I’ve bought 1Password at least 3 times and pointed them to the same vault. Can’t remember if they had paid upgrades. If you are not inclined to host your own server, it really doesn’t seem clear to me to migrate away. Only the single and 2 user free licence and the single premium license for bitwarden is a clear winner. For families it’s not much cheaper. I’m not even opposed to paying. I’ve bought 1P a few times. And I’d pay for another service. I think it’s the fact that they are forcing the choice that gives me a bag taste in my mouth. But this is irrational if my 2nd choice is to pay bitwarden a similar amount of money for a family subscription.
- alanh 5y ago
  Definitively: v7 works with stand-alone / non agilebits-synced databases; v8 will not. (I think v8 is out for Windows but not yet Mac.) I am a long-time 1Password user who recently made the leap to their hosted service. 1Password remains best-in-class for me and has a terrific security record, especially compared to their peers. While I too lament the everything-is-a-subscription-now trend, I remain a strong supporter and avid fan of 1Password. The latest integrations offered, for browsers and for e.g. Fastmail masked email address generation [1], only work with the cloud offering. I am happy to report that these latest offerings are fantastic and have tremendous UX. [1]: https://www.fastmail.com/1password/ https://www.fastmail.com/1password/
  - mdaniel 5y ago
    I would bet their Privacy.com integration is also v8/cloud only: https://blog.1password.com/privacy-virtual-cards/ https://blog.1password.com/privacy-virtual-cards/
    - kchameleon1234 5y ago
      It's not v8 at least, I use it on 7 just fine (though I do use the cloud offering). I don't see why it would be tied to that though considering it's just an API integration that saves the card into your 1password for the site you're on and then fills in the credentials. That _should_ theoretically work with a local vault as well on v7.
      - mdaniel 5y ago
        That same logic holds for the fastmail vanity email aliases, too, in that it's just an API integration; does your v7+cloud have that integration, too?
        kchameleon1234 5y ago
        It does! I was actually considering switching to BitWarden right when the Fastmail integration came out and that's what kept me with 1Password.
Groxx 5y ago
Given how extremely hidden they've made the perpetual license option, I'm honestly surprised it's 30:1. That seems to be a sign of "people want this bad enough that they go hunting for it for quite a while".
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
  No, they are picking subscriptions 30 times more than licenses. When they first did this it wasn’t hidden at all. The website gave you 2 options side by side.
  - dsissitka 5y ago
    Are you sure? It looks like the license option was hidden almost immediately. https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password.com/sign-up/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password...
    - Groxx 5y ago
      It was hidden in both the website and the app almost immediately, yeah. Announced in/near August, and your link shows it in September: https://www.windowscentral.com/1password-launches-subscription-service-offers-first-six-months-free https://www.windowscentral.com/1password-launches-subscripti... I remember noticing the announcement of subscriptions (possibly a couple weeks after it happened), being concerned it'd spell the end for dropbox sync so I checked it out ASAP, and then discovering my fears were mostly justified - it still existed (and remained around for a couple years), but it was shoved waaaay off into a corner. E.g. in the next subscription-oriented version of the apps, unless you attached a synced file FIRST, the option for dropbox syncing or standalone licenses was never available. The official instructions for fixing this were to reinstall the app from scratch and attach to the file first, before signing in. Notice that only a few months later, the standalone license mention at the bottom of the page isn't even there any more: https://web.archive.org/web/20170215115945/https://1password.com/sign-up/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170215115945/https://1password... Super hostile behavior, right out the gate. It was clear they were going all-in on subscriptions.
austhrow743 5y ago
How do iPhones factor in to this decision?
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
  On iOS 1Password is definitely the most polished password manager. If I’m paying the family price, I’m not going to get a less good UI.

clairity 5y ago

does anyone know definitively which is the last 1password version that doesn't require cloud? some folks are saying it's v6 but i have 7.8.7, and everything seems to be working fine, as far as i can tell. i still use local vaults and dropbox syncing to my ios devices without issue.

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
The last time they offered stand-alone licenses was 1Password 7 in 2018. Not that long ago. But they seem to have made it harder and harder to get at the local vault settings. Version 8 will only be subscription based.
- clairity 5y ago
  so ixnay to version 8 then. are you for sure that there's no version 7 point upgrade that's broken like that? my original license was 1password 3 (teams edition or something like that?) i believe, which i'd been upgrading all along. too bad they'll lose all this recurring revenue, even if it's not strictly as uniform and regular as subscriptions.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
    No I’m not. But version 7.8.7 is not that old. Previously it was one license per user per platform. I’ve bought 1Password at least 3 times and pointed them to the same vault. Can’t remember if they had paid upgrades. If you are not inclined to host your own server, it really doesn’t seem clear to me to migrate away. Only the single and 2 user free licence and the single premium license for bitwarden is a clear winner. For families it’s not much cheaper. I’m not even opposed to paying. I’ve bought 1P a few times. And I’d pay for another service. I think it’s the fact that they are forcing the choice that gives me a bag taste in my mouth. But this is irrational if my 2nd choice is to pay bitwarden a similar amount of money for a family subscription.
alanh 5y ago
Definitively: v7 works with stand-alone / non agilebits-synced databases; v8 will not. (I think v8 is out for Windows but not yet Mac.) I am a long-time 1Password user who recently made the leap to their hosted service. 1Password remains best-in-class for me and has a terrific security record, especially compared to their peers. While I too lament the everything-is-a-subscription-now trend, I remain a strong supporter and avid fan of 1Password. The latest integrations offered, for browsers and for e.g. Fastmail masked email address generation [1], only work with the cloud offering. I am happy to report that these latest offerings are fantastic and have tremendous UX. [1]: https://www.fastmail.com/1password/ https://www.fastmail.com/1password/
- mdaniel 5y ago
  I would bet their Privacy.com integration is also v8/cloud only: https://blog.1password.com/privacy-virtual-cards/ https://blog.1password.com/privacy-virtual-cards/
  - kchameleon1234 5y ago
    It's not v8 at least, I use it on 7 just fine (though I do use the cloud offering). I don't see why it would be tied to that though considering it's just an API integration that saves the card into your 1password for the site you're on and then fills in the credentials. That _should_ theoretically work with a local vault as well on v7.
    - mdaniel 5y ago
      That same logic holds for the fastmail vanity email aliases, too, in that it's just an API integration; does your v7+cloud have that integration, too?
      - kchameleon1234 5y ago
        It does! I was actually considering switching to BitWarden right when the Fastmail integration came out and that's what kept me with 1Password.

Groxx 5y ago

Given how extremely hidden they've made the perpetual license option, I'm honestly surprised it's 30:1. That seems to be a sign of "people want this bad enough that they go hunting for it for quite a while".

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
No, they are picking subscriptions 30 times more than licenses. When they first did this it wasn’t hidden at all. The website gave you 2 options side by side.
- dsissitka 5y ago
  Are you sure? It looks like the license option was hidden almost immediately. https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password.com/sign-up/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password...
  - Groxx 5y ago
    It was hidden in both the website and the app almost immediately, yeah. Announced in/near August, and your link shows it in September: https://www.windowscentral.com/1password-launches-subscription-service-offers-first-six-months-free https://www.windowscentral.com/1password-launches-subscripti... I remember noticing the announcement of subscriptions (possibly a couple weeks after it happened), being concerned it'd spell the end for dropbox sync so I checked it out ASAP, and then discovering my fears were mostly justified - it still existed (and remained around for a couple years), but it was shoved waaaay off into a corner. E.g. in the next subscription-oriented version of the apps, unless you attached a synced file FIRST, the option for dropbox syncing or standalone licenses was never available. The official instructions for fixing this were to reinstall the app from scratch and attach to the file first, before signing in. Notice that only a few months later, the standalone license mention at the bottom of the page isn't even there any more: https://web.archive.org/web/20170215115945/https://1password.com/sign-up/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170215115945/https://1password... Super hostile behavior, right out the gate. It was clear they were going all-in on subscriptions.

austhrow743 5y ago

How do iPhones factor in to this decision?

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
On iOS 1Password is definitely the most polished password manager. If I’m paying the family price, I’m not going to get a less good UI.