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> Why are people honestly against ID requirements for voting? I think a better question is why folks are against ID requirements but are for vaccine passports
by johncessna 5y ago
> Why are people honestly against ID requirements for voting?
I think a better question is why folks are against ID requirements but are for vaccine passports and photo ids to buy cigarettes, booze, get into rated R movies, drive, or fly.
- distrill 5y agoreally? you can't imagine how buying booze is any different from voting?
- abakker 5y agoI can't tell if you are suggesting that the standards for alcohol be higher than for voting or not? Because currently they are.
- distrill 5y agothey're not higher. the federal government doesn't even care how old you are, let alone where you live or whether you are who you say you are. those standards are all locally mandated and locally enforced.
- schumpeter 5y agoSort of... The federal government passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act[1], showing they did care. Although they don't directly enforce drinking age mins, the carrot and the stick approach was used. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_...
- distrill 5y agoi'm aware of this and you're talking past the point i made. federal restrictions are stricter on voting than they are on alcohol.
- abakker 5y agoThey require proof to buy alcohol. They do not to vote. the consequences are not the only part of "requirements".
- distrill 5y agowho does? the federal government does not.
- abakker 5y agoI think this is a frame of reference issue. The I buy beer at whole foods, someone checks my ID and won't sell it to me if I don't have one. If I vote via mail in ballot, I sign my name on a sheet of paper that arrives to an unsecured mailbox. Whatever the law that applies, as an end user, beer seems to be a more restricted product.
- kansface 5y agoI'd wager voting (federal elections) kill way more people than Americans who die downstream of booze. Its just a question of locality, really.
- Aloha 5y agoI mean, I'm opposed to ID's to buy some of those things too. But thats my libertarianism speaking. Generally we have no strict ID requirements for those items, its up to the seller to verify age, which that can do by obvious appearance, or by carding the person. It's why you dont get carded all the time. Driving requires a specific credential and is not relevant for this discussion. Flying is another case, you do not need an ID to fly, there are provisions to fly without photo ID if you do not have one, they're just more time consuming and meant to be somewhat punitive.
- johncessna 5y agoMy point is that it's incongruent. The reasons brought forth supporting an id-free voting system are absent when any policy that requires more government papers and over sight are put in place.
- Aloha 5y agoGenerally, if you saw conservatives proposing policies that made ID available to everyone for no cost (like a free copy of their birth certificate and free passport card for every citizen), their opposition would look silly on this. Instead, conservatives focus on the ID mandate, ahead of fixing the inherent supply issues. Indeed, while I still have objections after this issue is fixed, they're largely irrelevant to the political mainstream. Generally I'm opposed to anything that smacks of 'papers place', and the government has a higher bar to need to confirm and record identity than John Q. Public (also I'd note, the examples you cited, generally do not record anything, they just verify age of purchaser). It all boils down to some form of absurd partisanship.
- pessimizer 5y ago> Generally, if you saw conservatives proposing policies that made ID available to everyone for no cost (like a free copy of their birth certificate and free passport card for every citizen), their opposition would look silly on this. Or imagine if you saw Democrats proposing this?
- JohnWhigham 5y agoEverything you just described is a privilege, not a civic duty.