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Microsoft adds XMPP support to Windows Live
- electrichead 15y agoAbout time!
- pilif 15y agoSo probably, there's just no more money to make with IM or people are moving away from MSN to Facebook. Funny how becoming more and more irrelevant can make people suddenly be "interested" in open standards.
- drzaiusapelord 15y agoConsidering how close IE9 and IE10 are to getting web standards right, I suspect that profitability isn't the key here. Its competition.
- ChrisArchitect 15y agothink one reason might be because people are accessing IM via all sorts of wacky mobile apps, to keep them using their MSN accounts, need to make the protocol accessible - XMPP the obvious way to do that
- bergie 15y ago...which is probably why Facebook Chat also supports XMPP clients. Shame that they don't do federation, though.
- bcx 15y agoSweet Olark (http://www.olark.com http://www.olark.com) for Windows Live Beta on it's way :-) -- I bet we could release it in a week.
- Zash 15y agoI approve of this.
- rbanffy 15y agoAnyone wants to bet they'll find some way to "enhance" it?
- k33l0r 15y agoIt seems that they chose to "enhance" it with a proprietary authentication mechanism ("X_MESSENGER_OAUTH2"): http://www.process-one.net/en/blogs/article/details_on_msns_xmpp_server/ http://www.process-one.net/en/blogs/article/details_on_msns_... Because, you know, it would be silly if you could just use any off-the-shelf XMPP client/library...
- rbanffy 15y agoBets like mine are so easy it's not even fun.
- hamidpalo 15y agoIt's not an "enhancement." It uses OAuth in a completely standard way. It was done to avoid people entering their Windows Live usernames and passwords all over the place, especially now considering how much can be tied to a WL account with Win 8. I was part of the team that did this and we went to great lengths to make sure that we were in full compliance with the relevant RFCs.
- dreijerbit 15y agoWhat's your take on this, hamidpalo: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/messengerconnect/thread/69ac90cb-0680-4e2c-a370-7ef21a330b29 http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/messengerconne...
- untog 15y agoI think the Facebook example provided in that post is exactly what they are trying to avoid- people entering their usernames and passwords into random chat clients. After all, you have no idea what they do with them.
- AndrewDucker 15y agoInteresting. I use Windows Live Messenger with my normal email address - andrew@ducker.org.uk. I also use XMPP through GChat, through apps for domains on the domain ducker.org.uk I wonder how they're going to deal with that...
- cipherpunk 15y agoMost likely: "andrew@ducker.org.uk"@some-ms-xmpp-url
- Zash 15y agoApparently it's <oauth-access-token>@messenger.live.com.
- AndrewDucker 15y agoThank you!
- ryandvm 15y agoLike Facebook, they're only using XMPP for client-to-server. That is, you can use any run of the mill Jabber client to talk to your friends on MSN. I'll be impressed if they choose to do federation (server-to-server) like Google does so that you can use your Gmail account to chat with your Hotmail friends. That would be handy.