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Water? Sure... just open a map: https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z Sorry to bu

by yonixw 5y ago

Water? Sure... just open a map: https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z Sorry to burst our bubble. But the main reason Gaza is not going forwared is Hamas. Not Israel.

tsimionescu 5y ago
I have no idea what your map is supposed to show. Yes, Egypt has one land border with Gaza, and is often closing it, helping to maintain the blockade. But on all other routes - sea, air and other land borders, it is Israel that maintains the blockade. Egypt is not stopping any sea vessels from reaching Gaza - it is the Israeli navy that is doing so, since it controls the entire coast of Gaza. Even if a ship were to move through Egyptian waters into the Gaza coast, it would be intercepted by Israeli ships patrolling the coast.
- yonixw 5y ago
  lol dude it is LITERALLY the first sentence here: "The blockade of the Gaza Strip is the ongoing land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel and Egypt in 2007" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip What is even the point? Can't you just admit you are wrong and Hamas has a HUGE NEGATIVE effect on Gaza? And peace process in general?
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Yes, that's the first sentence. Reading more of the article, here is the "Naval Blockade" section: > The Israeli Navy enforces a maritime blockade of the Port of Gaza and the coastline. and the "Control of Gazan airspace" section: > The Oslo Accords interim peace agreements expressly give Israel security control over Gazan airspace and coastal waters. Also, Egypt being complicit in depriving Gaza of resources (to a MUCH lesser extent than Israel, to be fair) does in no way prove that Hamas is the problem, or has a "HUGE NEGATIVE" effect on Gaza. I will let the people of Gaza who keep electing Hamas in free elections (despite brutal Israeli reprisals for their wrong vote) decide how bad Hamas is for them.
    - yonixw 5y ago
      > Also, Egypt being complicit in depriving Gaza of resources (to a MUCH lesser extent than Israel, to be fair) does in no way prove that Hamas is the problem, Yeah it does... Oh, how much it does...
      - tsimionescu 5y ago
        Ok, then why do you think the people of Gaza have been consistently voting for Hamas in free elections?
        yonixw 5y ago
        yonixw 5y ago
        Duuude there is no election in gaza since hamas (armed) takeover: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine#In_the_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine#In_the_... you are protecting a terrorist group. they harm palestine future the most. stooop. You are consistently wrong on every fact of this conflict.
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by yonixw 5y ago

tsimionescu 5y ago

I have no idea what your map is supposed to show. Yes, Egypt has one land border with Gaza, and is often closing it, helping to maintain the blockade. But on all other routes - sea, air and other land borders, it is Israel that maintains the blockade. Egypt is not stopping any sea vessels from reaching Gaza - it is the Israeli navy that is doing so, since it controls the entire coast of Gaza. Even if a ship were to move through Egyptian waters into the Gaza coast, it would be intercepted by Israeli ships patrolling the coast.

yonixw 5y ago
lol dude it is LITERALLY the first sentence here: "The blockade of the Gaza Strip is the ongoing land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel and Egypt in 2007" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip What is even the point? Can't you just admit you are wrong and Hamas has a HUGE NEGATIVE effect on Gaza? And peace process in general?
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Yes, that's the first sentence. Reading more of the article, here is the "Naval Blockade" section: > The Israeli Navy enforces a maritime blockade of the Port of Gaza and the coastline. and the "Control of Gazan airspace" section: > The Oslo Accords interim peace agreements expressly give Israel security control over Gazan airspace and coastal waters. Also, Egypt being complicit in depriving Gaza of resources (to a MUCH lesser extent than Israel, to be fair) does in no way prove that Hamas is the problem, or has a "HUGE NEGATIVE" effect on Gaza. I will let the people of Gaza who keep electing Hamas in free elections (despite brutal Israeli reprisals for their wrong vote) decide how bad Hamas is for them.
  - yonixw 5y ago
    > Also, Egypt being complicit in depriving Gaza of resources (to a MUCH lesser extent than Israel, to be fair) does in no way prove that Hamas is the problem, Yeah it does... Oh, how much it does...
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      Ok, then why do you think the people of Gaza have been consistently voting for Hamas in free elections?
      - yonixw 5y ago
      - yonixw 5y ago
        Duuude there is no election in gaza since hamas (armed) takeover: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine#In_the_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine#In_the_... you are protecting a terrorist group. they harm palestine future the most. stooop. You are consistently wrong on every fact of this conflict.
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