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Ugh that subreddit is just a cesspool. Most of the stories are fake and it attracts the bottom feeders of society. People need work to feel fulfilled. I get th

Ugh that subreddit is just a cesspool. Most of the stories are fake and it attracts the bottom feeders of society. People need work to feel fulfilled. I get that a corporate job may not meet that demand but this idea that you can just eschew any work and be mentally ok isn't true.

ravedave5 5y ago
"People need work to feel fulfilled." I never thought I'd see Stockholm syndrome in the wild.
- lezojeda 5y ago
  Are you kidnapped or held against your will by your employer?
  - ravedave5 5y ago
    Are you able to keep a shelter over your head and food in your belly without work?
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      Huh? Are you expecting others to take care of your needs while you do nothing? At what time in history has this ever been an option. You would be dead in a ditch with this attitude for most of our history. Maybe you need to go out into the woods and survive without help to force an attitude change. You have a skewed since of reality egged on by a society that's let you survive off of doing basically nothing and yet you still complain. The problem here is that you believe all of the stuff to keep you alive just magically appears without anyone doing any work.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Way to evade the question.
        CountDrewku 5y ago
        I'm not evading anything, your question doesn't make sense.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        What "my" question?!? The question you declined to answer (while still spouting something in reply) wasn't mine. Do try to keep up, please. Thank you.
- zero102 5y ago
  They do. You do, I do, everyone does. You're maliciously interpreting OP to imply that "slaving over a hot keyboard" is the only way to feel fulfilled. Whether you are an employee, company owner, gardener, woodworker, whatever you are being fulfilled by "working". Applying yourself willfully and deliberately to a problem. If you are not being fulfilled you find something else. Or, like most people, you realize working for someone won't be fulfilling, so you instead seek fulfillment in work that you enjoy - such as your hobbies. This equating of employment with slavery by the /r/antiwork types is why the subreddit is quickly becoming the butt of every joke. Yes, it's not uncommon your profession is unfulfilling. Most well adjusted people derive fulfillment from work outside of their profession.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Once one understands your idiosyncratic definition of "work", you are of course right. But your statement is still quite meaningless as part of a discussion, because that's not how everybody else uses the word, and a discussion where one participant uses his own terms, wildly divergent from everyone else's, can never get anywhere meaningful.
- GladHatter 5y ago
  Can confirm this to be true. I was lucky enough to sell my tech startup a few years ago and become a multi-millionaire overnight. I did the usual newly-rich stuff like buy a sports car, take vacations, go to the beach a bunch, etc. It became boring, and I started sliding into bad behaviors such as drinking most days. I knew I had to change it up for my own health and sanity, so I started another company. This has given me something to do with my day and I'm much happier and healthier for it.
antihero 5y ago
How is working a job that you know is completely mind-numbing and pointless to enrich some other person meaningful in any way?
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  Reading comprehension. You neglected to pay attention to most of my comment. Who is forcing you work a mind-numbing job? Do you want everyone else to pay for you to do nothing? Do what you want, but don't expect others to donate what they've earned to your finger painting or whatever it is you think you should do to be fulfilled daily. This idea that everyone will just suddenly become creative happy geniuses as soon as "mind-numbing" work is alleviated is false.
brimble 5y ago
> People need work to feel fulfilled. I, too, worry about the idle rich and think we should do something to help them find work.
- vangelis 5y ago
  Work, as they say, makes you free.
- dfadsadsf 5y ago
  Vast majority of rich are not idle and live very active life. While they may not do work as you understand it, they do philanthropy, investment, etc. Few if any just stay home to watch TV - which is equivalent of automating work and not telling anyone.
  - brimble 5y ago
    Oh. So making them not dependent on losing 8 hours of their work per weekday to a boss, and giving them freedom to do what they like in that time, isn't making their lives worse? But if the same state is achieved by a poor person then...? I would agree that also not needing to be available for a boss at all, even "just in case something goes wrong", is better, but that doesn't seem to be the argument. Rather, that attaining freedom from being told what to do much of your waking hours is morally or psychologically harmful. Which obviously becomes absurd when we apply it to rich people. Which is my point. Why's it fine for one group and something to worry about with another? [EDIT] More directly, I'm wary any time I encounter "be careful with that freedom, poor people, it might be bad for you, and I'm not sure we can trust you to do the right thing with it! Rich people, carry on as you were, you're all fine and need no oversight or pointers, obviously." as an argument.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      Dude you're a fool if you don't think rich people put in hours and hours of work. They're almost never not working. Their entire lives typically revolve around work and nothing else. You might have a point if you're talking trust fund babies but those people are miserable because they do nothing. They're not happy. The vast majority of wealth is not handed down. >Rather, that attaining freedom from being told what to do much of your waking hours is morally or psychologically harmful. Do you understand how this is achieved at all???? BY HARD WORK. Go out and create something of your own, no one is stopping you. If you think it's not going to be work I've got news for you. No one is going to just give you this freedom, nor should they because it would then be meaningless. I'm sorry but you just sound incredibly young, naive, and lacking in any real world experience. You need to grow up and realize that almost nothing in life that's easily obtained is worth a shit.
hwbehrens 5y ago
> People need work to feel fulfilled. While you're likely to get skewered for this line, I think it's because of a mismatch in vocabulary that is being ignored. The "work" in antiwork is usually referring to paid employment, but it seems that you're using it more akin to fulfilling accomplishment. I agree with you on the whole that people need to feel that they are making a positive impact on their surroundings to feel satisfaction. Maybe that comes from paid employment, or volunteer work, or hobbies, or social interactions. A street preacher, a stay at home parent, an ancient cave painter, a bricklayer, and a software architect might all feel equally satisfied by their work, irrespective of the value placed on that work by their society. In fact, I would argue that the (professed) goals of antiwork are aligned with your view -- people should be free to pursue the work they personally find the most fulfilling, rather than the most profitable.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  >The "work" in antiwork is usually referring to paid employment, Except it's not, the posts also reflect this. "A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles."
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Exactly. A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, and want to get the most out of a work-free life that they can in stead devote to the fulfilling accomplishment that you -- but no-one else -- call "work".
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ravedave5 5y ago

"People need work to feel fulfilled." I never thought I'd see Stockholm syndrome in the wild.

lezojeda 5y ago
Are you kidnapped or held against your will by your employer?
- ravedave5 5y ago
  Are you able to keep a shelter over your head and food in your belly without work?
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    Huh? Are you expecting others to take care of your needs while you do nothing? At what time in history has this ever been an option. You would be dead in a ditch with this attitude for most of our history. Maybe you need to go out into the woods and survive without help to force an attitude change. You have a skewed since of reality egged on by a society that's let you survive off of doing basically nothing and yet you still complain. The problem here is that you believe all of the stuff to keep you alive just magically appears without anyone doing any work.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Way to evade the question.
      - CountDrewku 5y ago
        I'm not evading anything, your question doesn't make sense.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        What "my" question?!? The question you declined to answer (while still spouting something in reply) wasn't mine. Do try to keep up, please. Thank you.
zero102 5y ago
They do. You do, I do, everyone does. You're maliciously interpreting OP to imply that "slaving over a hot keyboard" is the only way to feel fulfilled. Whether you are an employee, company owner, gardener, woodworker, whatever you are being fulfilled by "working". Applying yourself willfully and deliberately to a problem. If you are not being fulfilled you find something else. Or, like most people, you realize working for someone won't be fulfilling, so you instead seek fulfillment in work that you enjoy - such as your hobbies. This equating of employment with slavery by the /r/antiwork types is why the subreddit is quickly becoming the butt of every joke. Yes, it's not uncommon your profession is unfulfilling. Most well adjusted people derive fulfillment from work outside of their profession.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Once one understands your idiosyncratic definition of "work", you are of course right. But your statement is still quite meaningless as part of a discussion, because that's not how everybody else uses the word, and a discussion where one participant uses his own terms, wildly divergent from everyone else's, can never get anywhere meaningful.
GladHatter 5y ago
Can confirm this to be true. I was lucky enough to sell my tech startup a few years ago and become a multi-millionaire overnight. I did the usual newly-rich stuff like buy a sports car, take vacations, go to the beach a bunch, etc. It became boring, and I started sliding into bad behaviors such as drinking most days. I knew I had to change it up for my own health and sanity, so I started another company. This has given me something to do with my day and I'm much happier and healthier for it.

antihero 5y ago

How is working a job that you know is completely mind-numbing and pointless to enrich some other person meaningful in any way?

CountDrewku 5y ago
Reading comprehension. You neglected to pay attention to most of my comment. Who is forcing you work a mind-numbing job? Do you want everyone else to pay for you to do nothing? Do what you want, but don't expect others to donate what they've earned to your finger painting or whatever it is you think you should do to be fulfilled daily. This idea that everyone will just suddenly become creative happy geniuses as soon as "mind-numbing" work is alleviated is false.

brimble 5y ago

> People need work to feel fulfilled. I, too, worry about the idle rich and think we should do something to help them find work.

vangelis 5y ago
Work, as they say, makes you free.
dfadsadsf 5y ago
Vast majority of rich are not idle and live very active life. While they may not do work as you understand it, they do philanthropy, investment, etc. Few if any just stay home to watch TV - which is equivalent of automating work and not telling anyone.
- brimble 5y ago
  Oh. So making them not dependent on losing 8 hours of their work per weekday to a boss, and giving them freedom to do what they like in that time, isn't making their lives worse? But if the same state is achieved by a poor person then...? I would agree that also not needing to be available for a boss at all, even "just in case something goes wrong", is better, but that doesn't seem to be the argument. Rather, that attaining freedom from being told what to do much of your waking hours is morally or psychologically harmful. Which obviously becomes absurd when we apply it to rich people. Which is my point. Why's it fine for one group and something to worry about with another? [EDIT] More directly, I'm wary any time I encounter "be careful with that freedom, poor people, it might be bad for you, and I'm not sure we can trust you to do the right thing with it! Rich people, carry on as you were, you're all fine and need no oversight or pointers, obviously." as an argument.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    Dude you're a fool if you don't think rich people put in hours and hours of work. They're almost never not working. Their entire lives typically revolve around work and nothing else. You might have a point if you're talking trust fund babies but those people are miserable because they do nothing. They're not happy. The vast majority of wealth is not handed down. >Rather, that attaining freedom from being told what to do much of your waking hours is morally or psychologically harmful. Do you understand how this is achieved at all???? BY HARD WORK. Go out and create something of your own, no one is stopping you. If you think it's not going to be work I've got news for you. No one is going to just give you this freedom, nor should they because it would then be meaningless. I'm sorry but you just sound incredibly young, naive, and lacking in any real world experience. You need to grow up and realize that almost nothing in life that's easily obtained is worth a shit.

hwbehrens 5y ago

> People need work to feel fulfilled. While you're likely to get skewered for this line, I think it's because of a mismatch in vocabulary that is being ignored. The "work" in antiwork is usually referring to paid employment, but it seems that you're using it more akin to fulfilling accomplishment. I agree with you on the whole that people need to feel that they are making a positive impact on their surroundings to feel satisfaction. Maybe that comes from paid employment, or volunteer work, or hobbies, or social interactions. A street preacher, a stay at home parent, an ancient cave painter, a bricklayer, and a software architect might all feel equally satisfied by their work, irrespective of the value placed on that work by their society. In fact, I would argue that the (professed) goals of antiwork are aligned with your view -- people should be free to pursue the work they personally find the most fulfilling, rather than the most profitable.

CountDrewku 5y ago
>The "work" in antiwork is usually referring to paid employment, Except it's not, the posts also reflect this. "A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles."
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Exactly. A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, and want to get the most out of a work-free life that they can in stead devote to the fulfilling accomplishment that you -- but no-one else -- call "work".

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