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I didn't downvote, but I always find "this day and age" kind of sentiments extremely eye-rolly, like things were better in some mythic past.

keiferski 5y ago
Unless you think that things are always getting better, it is necessarily implied that some things were better in the past.
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- coldpie 5y ago
  Compare these two sentences: > Having such a marriage in this day and age is truly a luxury, reserved only for the deepest of lovers. > Having such a marriage is truly a luxury, reserved only for the deepest of lovers. One contains a positive claim that something is worse now than it was before, which I think invites dispute and is entirely unnecessary anyway. It's a fine sentiment without the judgement.
- lthornberry 5y ago
  This particular claim is just ludicrous, though. The idea that marriage is primarily about love and emotional companionship is an extremely modern idea. See Stephanie Coontz, Marriage, A History: How Love Conquered Marriage.
mlyle 5y ago
> like things were better in some mythic past. It doesn't need to mean this. We've got so much choice in how we structure our lives now. Choice mostly makes things better. Lots of bad outcomes become less prevalent. But some good outcomes become harder to find, and one can rationally have nostalgia for them.
ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
> I always find "this day and age" kind of sentiments extremely eye-rolly, like things were better in some mythic past. I've encountered this sentiment, several times, lately. In my experience, any mention of a time before now, especially, when they find out that I am "chronologically-challenged," is met by a "Don't tell me about the 'good old days,' Grandpa!". This day and age, seems to have established a culture of real, nasty, institutionalized, anger at previous generations. It is unlike what I experienced. Younger folks have railed against their seniors for all of human history, but now, it's personal. I think I understand where a lot of the anger comes from. My generation has caused a lot of damage, and has exhibited almost awe-inspiring levels of selfishness. I'm pretty pissed, and I'm one of them. But that ain't me. I have lived a long-ish life, and have developed a lot of experience and PoV, as a result. I'm a kind, unselfish person, looking forward to the future, and making the world a better place, for my having lived in it. Not all that is old, is bad. Much is not directly applicable to today's world, but should not be discarded, wholesale. In many cases, only minor adjustments need to be done, in order to make a viewpoint, technique, or philosophy applicable to today's world. The story is a heart-wrenching one. I have many peers, experiencing a lot of these types of things (One of the things that happens, as we age). Not all of them are handling it as well as the author. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all of us are destined to become "boomers." Every. Single. One. Of. Us. No exceptions. The alternative kind of sucks. One day, we will all be where I am. That is what makes ageism so crazy. I have been around long enough to watch some folks hoist by their own petard (a classic saying, BTW). They established a corporate culture, that eventually excluded them. https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news-in-pictures/news-briefly/britain-headed-for-tattooed-pensioner-crisis-2012083139624 https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news-in-pictures/news-briefly...
- coldpie 5y ago
  > In my experience, any mention of a time before now, especially, when they find out that I am "chronologically-challenged," is met by a "Don't tell me about the 'good old days,' Grandpa!". > My generation has caused a lot of damage, and has exhibited almost awe-inspiring levels of selfishness. With respect, I think some self-reflection may be in order.
microtherion 5y ago
Right. The comment implies that this kind of emotional commitment used to be the norm, which is very much a [citation needed] kind of claim. A bit of family lore had it that when some distant ancestors of mine no longer could live independently in old age, one child took in the husband to live with them, and another child, quite distant from the first one, the wife. My mother, upon learning of that arrangement, exclaimed how hard it must have been for that couple to be separated in their final years, only to hear "Quite the opposite! They couldn't stand each other for the longest time."
mensetmanusman 5y ago
Life is complicated with many facets, a charitable interpretation is that they are comparing one facet from the past with the present and have found it lacking. It’s entirely possible that some facets of the past were much better, e.g. today almost half of the US is obese, that certainly is a large change in 50 years…

keiferski 5y ago

Unless you think that things are always getting better, it is necessarily implied that some things were better in the past.

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coldpie 5y ago
Compare these two sentences: > Having such a marriage in this day and age is truly a luxury, reserved only for the deepest of lovers. > Having such a marriage is truly a luxury, reserved only for the deepest of lovers. One contains a positive claim that something is worse now than it was before, which I think invites dispute and is entirely unnecessary anyway. It's a fine sentiment without the judgement.
lthornberry 5y ago
This particular claim is just ludicrous, though. The idea that marriage is primarily about love and emotional companionship is an extremely modern idea. See Stephanie Coontz, Marriage, A History: How Love Conquered Marriage.

mlyle 5y ago

> like things were better in some mythic past. It doesn't need to mean this. We've got so much choice in how we structure our lives now. Choice mostly makes things better. Lots of bad outcomes become less prevalent. But some good outcomes become harder to find, and one can rationally have nostalgia for them.

ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago

> I always find "this day and age" kind of sentiments extremely eye-rolly, like things were better in some mythic past. I've encountered this sentiment, several times, lately. In my experience, any mention of a time before now, especially, when they find out that I am "chronologically-challenged," is met by a "Don't tell me about the 'good old days,' Grandpa!". This day and age, seems to have established a culture of real, nasty, institutionalized, anger at previous generations. It is unlike what I experienced. Younger folks have railed against their seniors for all of human history, but now, it's personal. I think I understand where a lot of the anger comes from. My generation has caused a lot of damage, and has exhibited almost awe-inspiring levels of selfishness. I'm pretty pissed, and I'm one of them. But that ain't me. I have lived a long-ish life, and have developed a lot of experience and PoV, as a result. I'm a kind, unselfish person, looking forward to the future, and making the world a better place, for my having lived in it. Not all that is old, is bad. Much is not directly applicable to today's world, but should not be discarded, wholesale. In many cases, only minor adjustments need to be done, in order to make a viewpoint, technique, or philosophy applicable to today's world. The story is a heart-wrenching one. I have many peers, experiencing a lot of these types of things (One of the things that happens, as we age). Not all of them are handling it as well as the author. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all of us are destined to become "boomers." Every. Single. One. Of. Us. No exceptions. The alternative kind of sucks. One day, we will all be where I am. That is what makes ageism so crazy. I have been around long enough to watch some folks hoist by their own petard (a classic saying, BTW). They established a corporate culture, that eventually excluded them. https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news-in-pictures/news-briefly/britain-headed-for-tattooed-pensioner-crisis-2012083139624 https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news-in-pictures/news-briefly...

coldpie 5y ago
> In my experience, any mention of a time before now, especially, when they find out that I am "chronologically-challenged," is met by a "Don't tell me about the 'good old days,' Grandpa!". > My generation has caused a lot of damage, and has exhibited almost awe-inspiring levels of selfishness. With respect, I think some self-reflection may be in order.

microtherion 5y ago

Right. The comment implies that this kind of emotional commitment used to be the norm, which is very much a [citation needed] kind of claim. A bit of family lore had it that when some distant ancestors of mine no longer could live independently in old age, one child took in the husband to live with them, and another child, quite distant from the first one, the wife. My mother, upon learning of that arrangement, exclaimed how hard it must have been for that couple to be separated in their final years, only to hear "Quite the opposite! They couldn't stand each other for the longest time."

mensetmanusman 5y ago

Life is complicated with many facets, a charitable interpretation is that they are comparing one facet from the past with the present and have found it lacking. It’s entirely possible that some facets of the past were much better, e.g. today almost half of the US is obese, that certainly is a large change in 50 years…