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I mean... that seems fine? Taking a consumer product and making a business version of it feels like a totally ok way to grow a company that already has a stable

I mean... that seems fine? Taking a consumer product and making a business version of it feels like a totally ok way to grow a company that already has a stable product that people like. Them making new features you don't use doesn't mean they're going to break or diminish the stuff you do use. Sure, they could mess it up, but any company or open source project can mess everything up.

dahfizz 5y ago
> Them making new features you don't use doesn't mean they're going to break or diminish the stuff you do use. Except they have already started to diminish what used to make 1P great. We now get no native apps, no local vault storage, no upfront payments. The VC rot has already set in.
cooperadymas 5y ago
When Crashplan did this, they removed their home offering and completely dropped a large portion of their user base.
- noirbot 5y ago
  Sure, but I'd be surprised if Crashplan was operating their home offering at a profit beforehand and just went "eh, we don't need money". 1Password seems to have a totally viable consumer market that's making them money without all that much work on it. It would seem weird for them to kill a golden goose.
  - anamexis 5y ago
    Also, it is good for companies when their employees use good password management everywhere, including in their personal life. The 1Password for Teams Business plan includes a free family plan for every user, so there's mutual reinforcement there.
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
I can't remember a company that has served individuals and enterprises simultaeneously without one side getting a compromised offering. One of the things I like about Apple is they don't really pander to the enterprise. They won't turn the business away but you can see it isn't a priority.
- noirbot 5y ago
  I'm not sure this is true. If anything, they're the perfect example of how to do it right though, which is to have products that are business OR personal focused, and not generally both. The Mac Pro and the new monitors are both very clearly only a reasonable cost point/feature set for enterprise clients. The higher end Macbook Pros are similar, especially post redesign. Almost everything Apple makes, "Pro" name aside, is either an enterprise offering where they're ok if random consumers buy it, or a consumer item where they don't mind if enterprises buy it. I have no interest in buying a reference monitor that costs more than my last 4 computers put together, but I could just go buy one, I guess. Optimally, 1Password does the same thing. If companies want to buy their current offering (and my current employer does) that thusfar hasn't really messed with my personal use. If they come out with some Okta competitor in the future, I won't need to care about that either unless my company uses it. Optimistically, both products can be targeted to different markets.
  - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
    I'd distinguish between the professional market and enterprise. Look at the lengths Microsoft goes to in order to maintain backwards compatibility for their enterprise customers, Apple in comparison just doesn't care. Obviously I don't have access to the sales figures but my guess is most Mac Pros are going into audio/visual studios or else high net worth individuals. It's not the sort of thing enterprises will buy if they can avoid it.
- bombcar 5y ago
  Microsoft does decently well here, and you can navigate this if you basically give individuals enterprise software. The problem comes in when you try to cripple the home version so that small businesses, etc don't just use that.
waynesonfire 5y ago
> Sure, they could mess it up, but any company or open source project can mess everything up. Luckiky when they do, github just bans their account

dahfizz 5y ago

> Them making new features you don't use doesn't mean they're going to break or diminish the stuff you do use. Except they have already started to diminish what used to make 1P great. We now get no native apps, no local vault storage, no upfront payments. The VC rot has already set in.

cooperadymas 5y ago

When Crashplan did this, they removed their home offering and completely dropped a large portion of their user base.

noirbot 5y ago
Sure, but I'd be surprised if Crashplan was operating their home offering at a profit beforehand and just went "eh, we don't need money". 1Password seems to have a totally viable consumer market that's making them money without all that much work on it. It would seem weird for them to kill a golden goose.
- anamexis 5y ago
  Also, it is good for companies when their employees use good password management everywhere, including in their personal life. The 1Password for Teams Business plan includes a free family plan for every user, so there's mutual reinforcement there.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago

I can't remember a company that has served individuals and enterprises simultaeneously without one side getting a compromised offering. One of the things I like about Apple is they don't really pander to the enterprise. They won't turn the business away but you can see it isn't a priority.

noirbot 5y ago
I'm not sure this is true. If anything, they're the perfect example of how to do it right though, which is to have products that are business OR personal focused, and not generally both. The Mac Pro and the new monitors are both very clearly only a reasonable cost point/feature set for enterprise clients. The higher end Macbook Pros are similar, especially post redesign. Almost everything Apple makes, "Pro" name aside, is either an enterprise offering where they're ok if random consumers buy it, or a consumer item where they don't mind if enterprises buy it. I have no interest in buying a reference monitor that costs more than my last 4 computers put together, but I could just go buy one, I guess. Optimally, 1Password does the same thing. If companies want to buy their current offering (and my current employer does) that thusfar hasn't really messed with my personal use. If they come out with some Okta competitor in the future, I won't need to care about that either unless my company uses it. Optimistically, both products can be targeted to different markets.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  I'd distinguish between the professional market and enterprise. Look at the lengths Microsoft goes to in order to maintain backwards compatibility for their enterprise customers, Apple in comparison just doesn't care. Obviously I don't have access to the sales figures but my guess is most Mac Pros are going into audio/visual studios or else high net worth individuals. It's not the sort of thing enterprises will buy if they can avoid it.
bombcar 5y ago
Microsoft does decently well here, and you can navigate this if you basically give individuals enterprise software. The problem comes in when you try to cripple the home version so that small businesses, etc don't just use that.

waynesonfire 5y ago

> Sure, they could mess it up, but any company or open source project can mess everything up. Luckiky when they do, github just bans their account