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> The primary purpose is to promote economic growth by reducing societal costs by deterring crime and fraud (including 'civil' fraud like breaking contracts) in

> The primary purpose is to promote economic growth by reducing societal costs by deterring crime and fraud (including 'civil' fraud like breaking contracts) in an orderly manner. Source please. There’s actual studies promoting things like bail reform that use actual data and such. Do you have anything like that, or are you just preaching from your privileged bubble with no idea what it’s like to be on the other side of the justice system?

caffeine 5y ago
The data are in, the experiment has been done, and the conclusions are undeniable: it is a complete disaster. Anyone who thinks criminals are “good people in bad circumstances” and “having to be a criminal is punishment enough for their crimes” is just wilfully ignorant. One can’t help but wonder if people pushing these policies are victims of “no-consequences positive parenting” 30 years later. Those policies can work fine in a loving home - not so much in the adversarial and violent world of society at large.
- marcellus23 5y ago
  So in other words, you don't have any sources.
  - caffeine 5y ago
    TFA is the source
    - marcellus23 5y ago
      Nope
- marcellus23 5y ago
  > The data are in, the experiment has been done, and the conclusions are undeniable: it is a complete disaster. This is no experiment. This is a single case in a single city that may have been avoidable with other policy decisions. > Anyone who thinks criminals are “good people in bad circumstances” and “having to be a criminal is punishment enough for their crimes” is just wilfully ignorant. Ah, the real bias comes out now. > One can’t help but wonder if people pushing these policies are victims of “no-consequences positive parenting” 30 years later. Those policies can work fine in a loving home - not so much in the adversarial and violent world of society at large. More pseudo psychology please!

caffeine 5y ago

The data are in, the experiment has been done, and the conclusions are undeniable: it is a complete disaster. Anyone who thinks criminals are “good people in bad circumstances” and “having to be a criminal is punishment enough for their crimes” is just wilfully ignorant. One can’t help but wonder if people pushing these policies are victims of “no-consequences positive parenting” 30 years later. Those policies can work fine in a loving home - not so much in the adversarial and violent world of society at large.

marcellus23 5y ago
So in other words, you don't have any sources.
- caffeine 5y ago
  TFA is the source
  - marcellus23 5y ago
    Nope
marcellus23 5y ago
> The data are in, the experiment has been done, and the conclusions are undeniable: it is a complete disaster. This is no experiment. This is a single case in a single city that may have been avoidable with other policy decisions. > Anyone who thinks criminals are “good people in bad circumstances” and “having to be a criminal is punishment enough for their crimes” is just wilfully ignorant. Ah, the real bias comes out now. > One can’t help but wonder if people pushing these policies are victims of “no-consequences positive parenting” 30 years later. Those policies can work fine in a loving home - not so much in the adversarial and violent world of society at large. More pseudo psychology please!