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This is not about downloading content, it's about uploading content.

by rhn_mk1 5y ago

thisisnotatest1 5y ago
- vman81 5y ago
  You are free to share any data with Google that you wish. Google is however not free to take said data from users without explicit consent.
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    Not correct. You are not free to share PII with Google (or anyone in the USA).
    - geewee 5y ago
      That's not true. Transfer to third countries is legal, as long as you _properly_ inform people of the risks that it poses, and it's completely voluntary: > finally, if a transfer of personal data is envisaged to a third country that isn’t the subject of an Adequacy Decision and if appropriate safeguards are absent, a transfer can be made based on a number of derogations for specific situations for example, where an individual has explicitly consented to the proposed transfer after having been provided with all necessary information about the risks associated with the transfer. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/obligations/what-rules-apply-if-my-organisation-transfers-data-outside-eu_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...
      - denton-scratch 5y ago
        GP said: "You are free to share any data with Google that you wish." That is not consistent with GDPR, and that's what I was saying. And the Austrian court has confirmed that. The court has not said that it's illegal to use GA.
        soneil 5y ago
        Both takes appear to be missing the entire privacy issue - you are free to share your data with the US if you wish. You are not free to share my data with the US. GP is correct, they are not free to share "any data", where their right to share "any data" and my right to privacy conflict. We all love our freedoms - but we have to respect that other people have freedoms too - and we don't have the freedom to take theirs.
        denton-scratch 5y ago
        > Both takes appear to be missing the entire privacy issue - you are free to share your data with the US if you wish. You are not free to share my data with the US. That's an interesting way of putting it; you've phrased it in terms of your personal data and the sharer's personal data. But the context is analytics; single datapoints are irrelevant. This is all about sharing data about other people. Anyway, EU companies are not allowed to even collect data, unless they can justify it. I don't know if that is supposed to also be extra-territorial, so it applies universally (I really hope not).
- deleted 5y ago
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- ivanmontillam 5y ago
  The thing is that they upload your data across the pond without you knowing it. Wouldn't you rather be aware?
- contravariant 5y ago
  As far as I'm concerned you're free to send whatever data you like to the googleanalytics API. In fact I encourage it.
- rhn_mk1 5y ago
  It's absolutely not the same. You're not getting any personal info about google business secrets or employees in exchange. As for the why, while you might want to share your data with the US agencies and want to have a choice, there are millions of people who don't want to, and didn't get a say before. Today, you're simply on the side which lost the battle.
- batch12 5y ago
  Why can't I stop companies from taking my data if I don't want them to? Protection of its citizens is a primary function of a government.
- wruza 5y ago
  Because corporations are deaf to constructive calls. Like, e.g. opt analytics in and not try to trick masses into it. An average person may or may not want to share, but they have no choice.
  - soco 5y ago
    It might help to realize that it's not a "corporation" which is tone deaf, but a bunch of managers with names and salaries which are incentivized to be tone deaf to the masses.
- ifdefdebug 5y ago
  You don't understand. You can send all your data plus your dirty underwear to Google for them to analyze. What you can't do is send them data of other ppl without their consent.
- antihero 5y ago
  It's an asymmetric relationship. You may think you are able to out-smart Google, and you might be one of the very few people who are, but society as a whole is not served well for the vast majority of people who even if they spent 24/7 researching and learning would still not stand a chance against multinational corporations.

This is not about downloading content, it's about uploading content.

thisisnotatest1 5y ago

vman81 5y ago
You are free to share any data with Google that you wish. Google is however not free to take said data from users without explicit consent.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  Not correct. You are not free to share PII with Google (or anyone in the USA).
  - geewee 5y ago
    That's not true. Transfer to third countries is legal, as long as you _properly_ inform people of the risks that it poses, and it's completely voluntary: > finally, if a transfer of personal data is envisaged to a third country that isn’t the subject of an Adequacy Decision and if appropriate safeguards are absent, a transfer can be made based on a number of derogations for specific situations for example, where an individual has explicitly consented to the proposed transfer after having been provided with all necessary information about the risks associated with the transfer. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/obligations/what-rules-apply-if-my-organisation-transfers-data-outside-eu_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...
    - denton-scratch 5y ago
      GP said: "You are free to share any data with Google that you wish." That is not consistent with GDPR, and that's what I was saying. And the Austrian court has confirmed that. The court has not said that it's illegal to use GA.
      - soneil 5y ago
        Both takes appear to be missing the entire privacy issue - you are free to share your data with the US if you wish. You are not free to share my data with the US. GP is correct, they are not free to share "any data", where their right to share "any data" and my right to privacy conflict. We all love our freedoms - but we have to respect that other people have freedoms too - and we don't have the freedom to take theirs.
        denton-scratch 5y ago
        > Both takes appear to be missing the entire privacy issue - you are free to share your data with the US if you wish. You are not free to share my data with the US. That's an interesting way of putting it; you've phrased it in terms of your personal data and the sharer's personal data. But the context is analytics; single datapoints are irrelevant. This is all about sharing data about other people. Anyway, EU companies are not allowed to even collect data, unless they can justify it. I don't know if that is supposed to also be extra-territorial, so it applies universally (I really hope not).
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ivanmontillam 5y ago
The thing is that they upload your data across the pond without you knowing it. Wouldn't you rather be aware?
contravariant 5y ago
As far as I'm concerned you're free to send whatever data you like to the googleanalytics API. In fact I encourage it.
rhn_mk1 5y ago
It's absolutely not the same. You're not getting any personal info about google business secrets or employees in exchange. As for the why, while you might want to share your data with the US agencies and want to have a choice, there are millions of people who don't want to, and didn't get a say before. Today, you're simply on the side which lost the battle.
batch12 5y ago
Why can't I stop companies from taking my data if I don't want them to? Protection of its citizens is a primary function of a government.
wruza 5y ago
Because corporations are deaf to constructive calls. Like, e.g. opt analytics in and not try to trick masses into it. An average person may or may not want to share, but they have no choice.
- soco 5y ago
  It might help to realize that it's not a "corporation" which is tone deaf, but a bunch of managers with names and salaries which are incentivized to be tone deaf to the masses.
ifdefdebug 5y ago
You don't understand. You can send all your data plus your dirty underwear to Google for them to analyze. What you can't do is send them data of other ppl without their consent.
antihero 5y ago
It's an asymmetric relationship. You may think you are able to out-smart Google, and you might be one of the very few people who are, but society as a whole is not served well for the vast majority of people who even if they spent 24/7 researching and learning would still not stand a chance against multinational corporations.