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This industry relies on self-reporting, there's no sky police, so if there's a deviation a report needs to be voluntarily written up and submitted either by the

This industry relies on self-reporting, there's no sky police, so if there's a deviation a report needs to be voluntarily written up and submitted either by the controller or by the pilot. It's customary for pilots to self-report on their deviations whether or not they were requested to do so and I'd assume controllers are supposed to do that as well. I'm guessing this trust is broken every now and then. The pilots probably weren't aware of the close call so it's not like they're going to tell the controller to write a number down. The controller would probably be the only one that knew and should have written a report about it. But the article is talking about going after the airport authority and the airline, as if the pilots or controllers (the only ones responsible for writing the report) actually did their report but it was ignored and was never escalated properly to the higher authority?

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>I'm guessing this trust is broken every now and then. I'm guessing who you work for has a big influence on how much trust there was in the first place.
- pc86 5y ago
  The reports don't go to your employer, at least in the US. ASRS reports[0] go right to the FAA and pilots are incentivized to submit them - it's not a get out of jail free card, but if you're contacted for enforcement/education later, it's a huge mark in your favor to be able to pull up an ASRS number (that you get when you submit) and say that you submitted one thirty minutes after the incident. I've spoken to one or two pilots who have had the FAA drop an enforcement action after providing them the number. [0] https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/ https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/
  - watersb 5y ago
    I don't recall if I've heard directly from pilots who have had enforcements dropped when self-reporting to the FAA - my brief time as a student pilot was 20 years ago. But what I do recall is a culture of risk reduction, working the problem, an "If you see something, say something" mentality. Then again, everyone has stories of encountering errors that had become part of someone's routine. You don't run to the FAA, you ask questions. There are tough calls, sometimes. Every pilot has made potentially fatal mistakes. Every living pilot has caught a mistake before it caused an uncontrollable situation, or got lucky. Usually a bit of both... but the luck runs out.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>I'm guessing this trust is broken every now and then. I'm guessing who you work for has a big influence on how much trust there was in the first place.

pc86 5y ago
The reports don't go to your employer, at least in the US. ASRS reports[0] go right to the FAA and pilots are incentivized to submit them - it's not a get out of jail free card, but if you're contacted for enforcement/education later, it's a huge mark in your favor to be able to pull up an ASRS number (that you get when you submit) and say that you submitted one thirty minutes after the incident. I've spoken to one or two pilots who have had the FAA drop an enforcement action after providing them the number. [0] https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/ https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/
- watersb 5y ago
  I don't recall if I've heard directly from pilots who have had enforcements dropped when self-reporting to the FAA - my brief time as a student pilot was 20 years ago. But what I do recall is a culture of risk reduction, working the problem, an "If you see something, say something" mentality. Then again, everyone has stories of encountering errors that had become part of someone's routine. You don't run to the FAA, you ask questions. There are tough calls, sometimes. Every pilot has made potentially fatal mistakes. Every living pilot has caught a mistake before it caused an uncontrollable situation, or got lucky. Usually a bit of both... but the luck runs out.