> Most of those are not federal programs. Huh? 2 (medicaid and the children's program) out of 3 are federal; that's most in my book (The state versions of me

> Most of those are not federal programs. Huh? 2 (medicaid and the children's program) out of 3 are federal; that's most in my book (The state versions of mediad, such as MediCal, are state/federal partnerships.) Besides, since every state (and territory) has them, why is it relevant whether they're state or federal? > And some of those are kinda flimsy Huh? No, they won't do everything that you could possibly want, but neither does any other healthcare system, anywhere in the in the world, govt paid or not. If you want to argue about the specific things that they won't do, you get to do the relevant research, including on the programs that you think are acceptable. > like even if I could convince a family member to pay I'm not suggesting skipping out on a bill (although that's also an option if you can't pay).