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What are the theories about why the real Satoshi doesn't just move all the coin to another wallet himself to prove that Craig Wright is just a scammer?

me_me_me 5y ago
They are dead. They lost unbackuped drives. They found god and abandoned technology all together. Abducted by aliens, or taken by time travellers. Craig Wright is just a scammer, caught red handed lying so many times, why would you trouble yourself and your anonymity to prove water is wet?
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fredoralive 5y ago
Possibly that they're dead, such as with the Hal Finney as Satoshi theory. Otherwise they've could've lost the private keys, be in jail, became a hermit, or plenty of options like that. If Satoshi is multiple people, perhaps they can't agree on an action. Or maybe they could just like the chaos.
- tata71 5y ago
  Or believe the chaos is better than their perceived alternative.
throwaway473825 5y ago
Satoshi couldn't care less about a scammer like Craig Wright, assuming Satoshi can move the coins.
toopok4k3 5y ago
Because the real Satoshi might be dead and took the keys with him to grave. I, to this day don't understand why it's not obvious why Satoshi has not done anything public for over 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Kleiman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Kleiman Craig knew Dave, knows the coins are so close to his reach but he will never get to them.
- chromatin 5y ago
  It makes sense that if one were CERTAIN that the real Satoshi could never claim otherwise (because you knew them to be dead), you would feel emboldened to make outrageous claims without fear of reprisal.
  - nullc 5y ago
    Wright is a conman, his analysis of risk is very different from yours. He has repeadily taken actions which were almost sure to get him caught, he got caught, and he just kept going. He would have no reason to know or care if Satoshi would rebuke him. If Satoshi did, Wright would just ignore it or claim it was a fraud. In fact, in the Florida lawsuit Wright provided a list of thousands of addresses he claimed to control and mined bitcoin to. The document was accidentally published without redaction and shortly thereafter the owners of 145 addresses controlling over 7000 bitcoin stepped up and posted signatures saying the addresses weren't wright and that wright is a fraud. Wright's reaction? When asked about this he claims that there were no signatures created and just moves on. When one interviewer pressed a bit he just blathered about you can't have signatures without identity and became irate and the interviewer changed subjects. Or more specifically to this case: In a document to the ATO Wright claimed to own several high value addresses. Two of them were actually owned by known community members, one produced a signature calling Wright a fraud, the other was called as a witness against wright in Florida. ... Wright ignored that and is suing us over the ones from that same list that where the owners haven't spoken up (yet, in one case the owner appears to have robbed a bitcoin exchange so even if they're aware of the case they're not likely to speak up). As far as Dave goes: The only material that has ever linked Dave to Bitcoin was material wright produced to support his tax fraud, most (all?) of which has been proved to be forgeries created after Dave's death. As far as anyone can tell Dave had no particular programming expertise-- he was more of a PC tech and windows IT security guy--, the only software he appears to have created was a simple visual basic windows registry checking tool. Of course, it's not impossible that just about anyone created Bitcoin, but I would expect that more than 3/4 of the participants in any random thread on HN would be a better candidate than Dave.
throwawayffffas 5y ago
My favorite theory, Satoshi is a state actor and couldn't care less.
- Loughla 5y ago
  Oh man. Can you imagine the absolute online shit-fest if that turned out to be true? Satoshi is China, or the US.
  - champagnois 5y ago
    Or Israel? The genesis block contains a huge front page news storey of Israeli tanks rolling into Gaza, images and all, put there by Satoshi themself.
    - brokensegue 5y ago
      The Genesis block very clearly referenced a bank bailout.
      - champagnois 5y ago
        Yes, but on the subject of plausible state actors -- Israel is among them. They also have a very advanced cohort of computer scientists and a booming crypto industry. There were even early cryptominers produced there, iirc. It would not surprise me in the least if their state was behind the SN pseudonym. Also... SN could have used any news article from any publication discussing the bailouts -- they made a choice to use a page with a massive graphic of Israeli tanks rolling into territory, rather than, say, any page from a more financially focused paper like WSJ... This could be just noise or it could be there as some form of nationalism or affinity for the image and storey.
  - throwawayffffas 5y ago
    My money is on North Korea. If it was them it has been really successful.
- orbifold 5y ago
Stevvo 5y ago
Literally the only thing heard from Satoshi since he disappeared was a post from a mailing list from a known email address of his saying "I am not Craig Wright"
- astoor 5y ago
  I believe the last verified communication from Satoshi (before the account was compromised) was "I'm not Dorian Nakamoto" in 2014: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A52186 http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-sour... . Edit: See also the full list of forum posts at https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/ https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/ .
  - Stevvo 5y ago
    https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015...
uncletammy 5y ago
The leading theory is that Satoshi is dead. Some think it was Hal Finney. Some think it was Dave Kleiman, the brother of the woman Craig just got out of a lawsuit with.
- nullc 5y ago
  The only source for any claim connecting Dave to Bitcoin is Wright, it's not something Bitcoin experts believe because wrights docs connecting dave to bitcoin were proven to be forgeries made after Dave's death, and there is no evidence of Dave having computer programming expertise. Wright actually exploits that misunderstanding, there are some people who've been taken in by Wright's scam who believe that Wright didn't create Bitcoin but dave did and that wright stole his Bitcoins. For them that's good enough. Aside, The lawsuit you're referring to by Ira Kleiman, a man. :) And he won a hundred million dollar judgement against Wright. Wright has tried to spin this as a "win" because Ira was asking for as much as a trillion dollars (lol) on the basis of thats the correct amount if you believe all of Wright's nonsense. In reality, Wright himself has no wealth or source of income except what he's able to pull in with this fake-satoshi con, so probably the portion of any judgement beyond a few million dollars is all equally uncollectable.
tim333 5y ago
I figure the real Satoshi wants some anonymity and is happy for Wright to muddy the waters.
int_19h 5y ago
Satoshi is a time traveler, and he won't touch that wallet until BTC reaches its peak value in his timeline. ~

me_me_me 5y ago

They are dead. They lost unbackuped drives. They found god and abandoned technology all together. Abducted by aliens, or taken by time travellers. Craig Wright is just a scammer, caught red handed lying so many times, why would you trouble yourself and your anonymity to prove water is wet?

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fredoralive 5y ago

Possibly that they're dead, such as with the Hal Finney as Satoshi theory. Otherwise they've could've lost the private keys, be in jail, became a hermit, or plenty of options like that. If Satoshi is multiple people, perhaps they can't agree on an action. Or maybe they could just like the chaos.

tata71 5y ago
Or believe the chaos is better than their perceived alternative.

throwaway473825 5y ago

Satoshi couldn't care less about a scammer like Craig Wright, assuming Satoshi can move the coins.

toopok4k3 5y ago

Because the real Satoshi might be dead and took the keys with him to grave. I, to this day don't understand why it's not obvious why Satoshi has not done anything public for over 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Kleiman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Kleiman Craig knew Dave, knows the coins are so close to his reach but he will never get to them.

chromatin 5y ago
It makes sense that if one were CERTAIN that the real Satoshi could never claim otherwise (because you knew them to be dead), you would feel emboldened to make outrageous claims without fear of reprisal.
- nullc 5y ago
  Wright is a conman, his analysis of risk is very different from yours. He has repeadily taken actions which were almost sure to get him caught, he got caught, and he just kept going. He would have no reason to know or care if Satoshi would rebuke him. If Satoshi did, Wright would just ignore it or claim it was a fraud. In fact, in the Florida lawsuit Wright provided a list of thousands of addresses he claimed to control and mined bitcoin to. The document was accidentally published without redaction and shortly thereafter the owners of 145 addresses controlling over 7000 bitcoin stepped up and posted signatures saying the addresses weren't wright and that wright is a fraud. Wright's reaction? When asked about this he claims that there were no signatures created and just moves on. When one interviewer pressed a bit he just blathered about you can't have signatures without identity and became irate and the interviewer changed subjects. Or more specifically to this case: In a document to the ATO Wright claimed to own several high value addresses. Two of them were actually owned by known community members, one produced a signature calling Wright a fraud, the other was called as a witness against wright in Florida. ... Wright ignored that and is suing us over the ones from that same list that where the owners haven't spoken up (yet, in one case the owner appears to have robbed a bitcoin exchange so even if they're aware of the case they're not likely to speak up). As far as Dave goes: The only material that has ever linked Dave to Bitcoin was material wright produced to support his tax fraud, most (all?) of which has been proved to be forgeries created after Dave's death. As far as anyone can tell Dave had no particular programming expertise-- he was more of a PC tech and windows IT security guy--, the only software he appears to have created was a simple visual basic windows registry checking tool. Of course, it's not impossible that just about anyone created Bitcoin, but I would expect that more than 3/4 of the participants in any random thread on HN would be a better candidate than Dave.

throwawayffffas 5y ago

My favorite theory, Satoshi is a state actor and couldn't care less.

Loughla 5y ago
Oh man. Can you imagine the absolute online shit-fest if that turned out to be true? Satoshi is China, or the US.
- champagnois 5y ago
  Or Israel? The genesis block contains a huge front page news storey of Israeli tanks rolling into Gaza, images and all, put there by Satoshi themself.
  - brokensegue 5y ago
    The Genesis block very clearly referenced a bank bailout.
    - champagnois 5y ago
      Yes, but on the subject of plausible state actors -- Israel is among them. They also have a very advanced cohort of computer scientists and a booming crypto industry. There were even early cryptominers produced there, iirc. It would not surprise me in the least if their state was behind the SN pseudonym. Also... SN could have used any news article from any publication discussing the bailouts -- they made a choice to use a page with a massive graphic of Israeli tanks rolling into territory, rather than, say, any page from a more financially focused paper like WSJ... This could be just noise or it could be there as some form of nationalism or affinity for the image and storey.
- throwawayffffas 5y ago
  My money is on North Korea. If it was them it has been really successful.
orbifold 5y ago

Stevvo 5y ago

Literally the only thing heard from Satoshi since he disappeared was a post from a mailing list from a known email address of his saying "I am not Craig Wright"

astoor 5y ago
I believe the last verified communication from Satoshi (before the account was compromised) was "I'm not Dorian Nakamoto" in 2014: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A52186 http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-sour... . Edit: See also the full list of forum posts at https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/ https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/ .
- Stevvo 5y ago
  https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015...

uncletammy 5y ago

The leading theory is that Satoshi is dead. Some think it was Hal Finney. Some think it was Dave Kleiman, the brother of the woman Craig just got out of a lawsuit with.

nullc 5y ago
The only source for any claim connecting Dave to Bitcoin is Wright, it's not something Bitcoin experts believe because wrights docs connecting dave to bitcoin were proven to be forgeries made after Dave's death, and there is no evidence of Dave having computer programming expertise. Wright actually exploits that misunderstanding, there are some people who've been taken in by Wright's scam who believe that Wright didn't create Bitcoin but dave did and that wright stole his Bitcoins. For them that's good enough. Aside, The lawsuit you're referring to by Ira Kleiman, a man. :) And he won a hundred million dollar judgement against Wright. Wright has tried to spin this as a "win" because Ira was asking for as much as a trillion dollars (lol) on the basis of thats the correct amount if you believe all of Wright's nonsense. In reality, Wright himself has no wealth or source of income except what he's able to pull in with this fake-satoshi con, so probably the portion of any judgement beyond a few million dollars is all equally uncollectable.

tim333 5y ago

I figure the real Satoshi wants some anonymity and is happy for Wright to muddy the waters.

int_19h 5y ago

Satoshi is a time traveler, and he won't touch that wallet until BTC reaches its peak value in his timeline. ~