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Those are not the people, by and large, ripping open cargo containers on moving trains. Some are, but your childhood friends aren't the people who are causing

Those are not the people, by and large, ripping open cargo containers on moving trains. Some are, but your childhood friends aren't the people who are causing this letter to be sent. The people committing this level of crime do need the income this theft generates to survive.

joemazerino 5y ago
What a pompous view of what is clearly criminal behaviour. If you don't do the time people will do the crime.
- mc32 5y ago
  Amazingly, someone on ND had reviewed footage from their drone and saw it had someone pointing a firearm at the drone so alerted people to be cautious around the area. An SJW came out and was like, "is it legal for you to record in public?" They were not concerned about illegal firearm usage, no, their first thought was, were the "rights" of a criminal infringed (no, there is no right to privacy in a public space). Dogma and ideology are amazing.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  It's just easier and less risky to not commit crimes, the people who do commit crimes are almost always doing so as a result of some fundamental failure by society to give them tools to earn a living some other way. If you were in their situation, you'd do exactly as they would, you just had a better situation in your life. We owe it to them to give them that shot. I know it's easier to blame these people for their choices, but in a lot of cases, there never really was any other choice for them. "Just don't do crime" isn't really a choice you can make when nobody explains to you what else there is to do that gives you any real shot in this world. I'll repeat, because it's important: you'd do exactly the same thing these people have done, if you had their set of experiences.
  - mrhands556 5y ago
    It’s a sad fact of life there will always be injustices. People can still make good choices and have positive outcomes in bad environments. We need to stop trying to be devoid of personal responsibility as a society.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      The fact that you think this has anything to do with personal responsibility makes it clear you don’t understand the circumstances these people find themselves in.
      - jtbayly 5y ago
        Is there anybody in the world under your philosophy that bears personal responsibility for anything immoral that they have done?
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        This has nothing to do with my personal philosophy and everything to do with what motivates people. Some people are bad yes, but the vast majority of people are not, and would not do bad things if they felt they had alternatives. Why is it important to you to focus on the bad people, when there are many, many more people who aren't bad?
        jtbayly 5y ago
        It has everything to do with your personal philosophy. I haven’t met a good person in my life. Here’s your philosophy: “Some people are bad yes, but the vast majority of people are not” You’re telling me the vast majority of people wouldn’t take advantage of others if they ended up with serious power. History and personal experience tell me otherwise. People are not basically good.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
mc32 5y ago
>"The people committing this level of crime do need the income this theft generates to survive." Later on I knew people who stole electronics --not as juveniles any more. It was just easy money for a night's work. They didn't have to put in 40. Didn't have a foreman. They'd brag about how easy it was... So, I don't believe they have not alternative but this. It may be an "easier" option compared to other options, but it's not their last option. No. People in the Eastern block had less purchasing power than a poor person in the US. They did not have a culture of thievery. One, they were not a consumerist society and two, they would give no quarter to thieves.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  So you think the people you knew growing up represent all people committing crimes? That's a great way to ignore the problems of people not like you. I'm sure you'll change your story to further illustrate how evil you think these people are, but the reality is they're not evil, and they don't really have other options, regardless of what went down in your world when you were younger.
  - rdtsc 5y ago
    We seem to discount their lived experience. Perhaps it might help if you shared your experience? Do you happen to know some of the people involved in these incidents?
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      If I thought it was relevant I’d share, however it isn’t relevant who I am or what my anecdotes are, so instead I’ll point out your distraction as just that; a distraction from the real problem here, which is inequity. No matter how many times you say otherwise, people would rather not steal. Fix their circumstances, fix their behavior. If you actually cared about solving the problem, you’d care about helping these people. But no. For you, this is about petty vindictive retribution. Your inability to empathize with someone not like you creates a cycle of hate that’s self perpetuating, further exacerbating the problem rather than being effective in finding a lasting solution.

joemazerino 5y ago

What a pompous view of what is clearly criminal behaviour. If you don't do the time people will do the crime.

mc32 5y ago
Amazingly, someone on ND had reviewed footage from their drone and saw it had someone pointing a firearm at the drone so alerted people to be cautious around the area. An SJW came out and was like, "is it legal for you to record in public?" They were not concerned about illegal firearm usage, no, their first thought was, were the "rights" of a criminal infringed (no, there is no right to privacy in a public space). Dogma and ideology are amazing.
TameAntelope 5y ago
It's just easier and less risky to not commit crimes, the people who do commit crimes are almost always doing so as a result of some fundamental failure by society to give them tools to earn a living some other way. If you were in their situation, you'd do exactly as they would, you just had a better situation in your life. We owe it to them to give them that shot. I know it's easier to blame these people for their choices, but in a lot of cases, there never really was any other choice for them. "Just don't do crime" isn't really a choice you can make when nobody explains to you what else there is to do that gives you any real shot in this world. I'll repeat, because it's important: you'd do exactly the same thing these people have done, if you had their set of experiences.
- mrhands556 5y ago
  It’s a sad fact of life there will always be injustices. People can still make good choices and have positive outcomes in bad environments. We need to stop trying to be devoid of personal responsibility as a society.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    The fact that you think this has anything to do with personal responsibility makes it clear you don’t understand the circumstances these people find themselves in.
    - jtbayly 5y ago
      Is there anybody in the world under your philosophy that bears personal responsibility for anything immoral that they have done?
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        This has nothing to do with my personal philosophy and everything to do with what motivates people. Some people are bad yes, but the vast majority of people are not, and would not do bad things if they felt they had alternatives. Why is it important to you to focus on the bad people, when there are many, many more people who aren't bad?
        jtbayly 5y ago
        It has everything to do with your personal philosophy. I haven’t met a good person in my life. Here’s your philosophy: “Some people are bad yes, but the vast majority of people are not” You’re telling me the vast majority of people wouldn’t take advantage of others if they ended up with serious power. History and personal experience tell me otherwise. People are not basically good.
        TameAntelope 5y ago

mc32 5y ago

>"The people committing this level of crime do need the income this theft generates to survive." Later on I knew people who stole electronics --not as juveniles any more. It was just easy money for a night's work. They didn't have to put in 40. Didn't have a foreman. They'd brag about how easy it was... So, I don't believe they have not alternative but this. It may be an "easier" option compared to other options, but it's not their last option. No. People in the Eastern block had less purchasing power than a poor person in the US. They did not have a culture of thievery. One, they were not a consumerist society and two, they would give no quarter to thieves.

TameAntelope 5y ago
So you think the people you knew growing up represent all people committing crimes? That's a great way to ignore the problems of people not like you. I'm sure you'll change your story to further illustrate how evil you think these people are, but the reality is they're not evil, and they don't really have other options, regardless of what went down in your world when you were younger.
- rdtsc 5y ago
  We seem to discount their lived experience. Perhaps it might help if you shared your experience? Do you happen to know some of the people involved in these incidents?
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    If I thought it was relevant I’d share, however it isn’t relevant who I am or what my anecdotes are, so instead I’ll point out your distraction as just that; a distraction from the real problem here, which is inequity. No matter how many times you say otherwise, people would rather not steal. Fix their circumstances, fix their behavior. If you actually cared about solving the problem, you’d care about helping these people. But no. For you, this is about petty vindictive retribution. Your inability to empathize with someone not like you creates a cycle of hate that’s self perpetuating, further exacerbating the problem rather than being effective in finding a lasting solution.