3 ms·

I wonder if the US police in LA is starting to become like the local Mexican police, ie. corrupt and working with the criminals; where the "Federal Police" and

I wonder if the US police in LA is starting to become like the local Mexican police, ie. corrupt and working with the criminals; where the "Federal Police" and then the Army has to step in to reign-in local police corruption. -- I say this because of the statement in the letter, where UP mentioned that they were never contacted in regards with any of the arrests made.

nxm 5y ago
No evidence of this, so I take it as nothing more than a conspiracy theory
- noah_buddy 5y ago
  You should look into the sheriff gangs of LA county. Most police departments have more than their fair share of criminals.
klurple 5y ago
They were never contacted in regards to court proceedings. That’s different and involves a charging decision by a prosecuting attorney, in this case Garcón or his staff. In the US you can be arrested, held, and prosecution declined. It happens routinely and the police have absolutely nothing to do with it (short of what they charge and allege informing the decision by the prosecuting attorney). UP is saying that LAPD/LASD and their own peace officers are making arrests and subsequently step two isn’t happening. They’re right, too. Declination of prosecution is the remedy specifically prescribed by 20-07 for some offenses, notably trespassing. Whereas before this was a subjective call by a prosecuting attorney (i.e., redirecting troubled folks to get care), Garcón has made it proscriptive with little regard for the circumstances. That’s what UP is fundamentally protesting here. In case it’s not clear, they’re barking at and low-key threatening Garcón with this letter, not the police (but it’s a rather weak threat; UP avoiding LA county doesn’t impact the DA nor county much). The two halves of American justice are often unclear and blend together. I get that it’s easy to blame the police here, but they honestly have pretty much nothing to do with it. I say that as someone who considers LAPD and LASD hostile entities in the general case, to reinforce for you that this is just a misunderstanding of how arrest and charging works in the US (it’s common).
labcomputer 5y ago
“Starting to become” implies that they haven’t already been like that for some time. Look up the shenanigans with the LA County sheriffs department essentially stealing property owned by LADWP to build an illegal helicopter pad near the sheriff’s residence. Or how the county sheriff just brazenly ignores court summons. Or look at the crazy manhunt that left several citizens dead because the LA city police didn’t want a former-marine police trainee to spill the beans on how they routinely abused arrestees.
notananthem 5y ago
To be completely clear LAPD/LASD are corrupt criminal gangs outside of this whole train thing.

nxm 5y ago

No evidence of this, so I take it as nothing more than a conspiracy theory

noah_buddy 5y ago
You should look into the sheriff gangs of LA county. Most police departments have more than their fair share of criminals.

klurple 5y ago

They were never contacted in regards to court proceedings. That’s different and involves a charging decision by a prosecuting attorney, in this case Garcón or his staff. In the US you can be arrested, held, and prosecution declined. It happens routinely and the police have absolutely nothing to do with it (short of what they charge and allege informing the decision by the prosecuting attorney). UP is saying that LAPD/LASD and their own peace officers are making arrests and subsequently step two isn’t happening. They’re right, too. Declination of prosecution is the remedy specifically prescribed by 20-07 for some offenses, notably trespassing. Whereas before this was a subjective call by a prosecuting attorney (i.e., redirecting troubled folks to get care), Garcón has made it proscriptive with little regard for the circumstances. That’s what UP is fundamentally protesting here. In case it’s not clear, they’re barking at and low-key threatening Garcón with this letter, not the police (but it’s a rather weak threat; UP avoiding LA county doesn’t impact the DA nor county much). The two halves of American justice are often unclear and blend together. I get that it’s easy to blame the police here, but they honestly have pretty much nothing to do with it. I say that as someone who considers LAPD and LASD hostile entities in the general case, to reinforce for you that this is just a misunderstanding of how arrest and charging works in the US (it’s common).

labcomputer 5y ago

“Starting to become” implies that they haven’t already been like that for some time. Look up the shenanigans with the LA County sheriffs department essentially stealing property owned by LADWP to build an illegal helicopter pad near the sheriff’s residence. Or how the county sheriff just brazenly ignores court summons. Or look at the crazy manhunt that left several citizens dead because the LA city police didn’t want a former-marine police trainee to spill the beans on how they routinely abused arrestees.

notananthem 5y ago

To be completely clear LAPD/LASD are corrupt criminal gangs outside of this whole train thing.