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> and controlling what enters the strip ... Unironically Yes!!!! Egypt do! Happy you see how mind boggling it is that there are others who deny access to the G

by yonixw 5y ago

> and controlling what enters the strip ... Unironically Yes!!!! Egypt do! Happy you see how mind boggling it is that there are others who deny access to the Gaza strip. (Again, because of their gov - Hamas) > x10 Palestine's fault? Who said that? It was during a war. It is because Israel has stronger weapons. A war that shouldn't ever started. Why did Hamas start it? You are really dodging the question here... > Also, Israel didn't "give Gaza control to the Palestinians" in 2005, They gave them military control and government control. So you are wrong, read Wikipedia again. Otherwise how do they get rockets if the are so limited? Looks like they could get anything but choses to get terror related assets... which again. Is their fault.

tsimionescu 5y ago
> Unironically Yes!!!! Egypt do! Happy you see how mind boggling it is that there are others who deny access to the Gaza strip. (Again, because of their gov - Hamas) No, Egypt has closed its own border with Gaza, but it is not enforcing a naval or airspace blockade, which Israel is. > Who said that? It was during a war. It is because Israel has stronger weapons. A war that shouldn't ever started. Why did Hamas start it? You are really dodging the question here... Israel occupied Egyptian/Jordanian territories. Hamas is a resistance movement of the people living in these territories under Israeli military occupation. The war was between Israel and Egypt, and it has long since ended. Hamas didn't start anything - they were being oppressed by Israel occupation forces and they fought back. Saying Hamas started a war is like saying that, should Ukrainian citizens of Crimea started attacking Russia, they are "starting a war" against Russia. People who live under military occupation have a right to defend themselves from their occupiers. The occupiers need only leave if they want this resistance to stop. > They gave them military control and government control. So you are wrong, read Wikipedia again. Otherwise how do they get rockets if the are so limited? Looks like they could get anything but choses to get terror related assets... which again. Is their fault. Palestine is still under embargo. That resistance fighters need weapons as well as other supplies is normal. The fact that the embargo is not perfect doesn't prove that it doesn't exist. And rockets aren't the only goods being smuggled past the embargo - there is also medicine, food, construction materials etc. But make no mistake - had there not been an armed resistance movement defending the rights of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation, the current limited independence would never have been reached.
- yonixw 5y ago
  > No, Egypt has closed its own border ... but it is not enforcing .... blockade. Sorry to say pal, you lost the plot. Look at a map please.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Are you claiming that Egypt is exercising control over Palestine's coastal waters, or airspace?
    - yonixw 5y ago
      Water? Sure... just open a map: https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z Sorry to burst our bubble. But the main reason Gaza is not going forwared is Hamas. Not Israel.
      - tsimionescu 5y ago
        I have no idea what your map is supposed to show. Yes, Egypt has one land border with Gaza, and is often closing it, helping to maintain the blockade. But on all other routes - sea, air and other land borders, it is Israel that maintains the blockade. Egypt is not stopping any sea vessels from reaching Gaza - it is the Israeli navy that is doing so, since it controls the entire coast of Gaza. Even if a ship were to move through Egyptian waters into the Gaza coast, it would be intercepted by Israeli ships patrolling the coast.
        yonixw 5y ago
        lol dude it is LITERALLY the first sentence here: "The blockade of the Gaza Strip is the ongoing land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel and Egypt in 2007" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip What is even the point? Can't you just admit you are wrong and Hamas has a HUGE NEGATIVE effect on Gaza? And peace process in general?

by yonixw 5y ago

tsimionescu 5y ago

> Unironically Yes!!!! Egypt do! Happy you see how mind boggling it is that there are others who deny access to the Gaza strip. (Again, because of their gov - Hamas) No, Egypt has closed its own border with Gaza, but it is not enforcing a naval or airspace blockade, which Israel is. > Who said that? It was during a war. It is because Israel has stronger weapons. A war that shouldn't ever started. Why did Hamas start it? You are really dodging the question here... Israel occupied Egyptian/Jordanian territories. Hamas is a resistance movement of the people living in these territories under Israeli military occupation. The war was between Israel and Egypt, and it has long since ended. Hamas didn't start anything - they were being oppressed by Israel occupation forces and they fought back. Saying Hamas started a war is like saying that, should Ukrainian citizens of Crimea started attacking Russia, they are "starting a war" against Russia. People who live under military occupation have a right to defend themselves from their occupiers. The occupiers need only leave if they want this resistance to stop. > They gave them military control and government control. So you are wrong, read Wikipedia again. Otherwise how do they get rockets if the are so limited? Looks like they could get anything but choses to get terror related assets... which again. Is their fault. Palestine is still under embargo. That resistance fighters need weapons as well as other supplies is normal. The fact that the embargo is not perfect doesn't prove that it doesn't exist. And rockets aren't the only goods being smuggled past the embargo - there is also medicine, food, construction materials etc. But make no mistake - had there not been an armed resistance movement defending the rights of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation, the current limited independence would never have been reached.

yonixw 5y ago
> No, Egypt has closed its own border ... but it is not enforcing .... blockade. Sorry to say pal, you lost the plot. Look at a map please.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Are you claiming that Egypt is exercising control over Palestine's coastal waters, or airspace?
  - yonixw 5y ago
    Water? Sure... just open a map: https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3241525,34.2178782,17.04z Sorry to burst our bubble. But the main reason Gaza is not going forwared is Hamas. Not Israel.
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      I have no idea what your map is supposed to show. Yes, Egypt has one land border with Gaza, and is often closing it, helping to maintain the blockade. But on all other routes - sea, air and other land borders, it is Israel that maintains the blockade. Egypt is not stopping any sea vessels from reaching Gaza - it is the Israeli navy that is doing so, since it controls the entire coast of Gaza. Even if a ship were to move through Egyptian waters into the Gaza coast, it would be intercepted by Israeli ships patrolling the coast.
      - yonixw 5y ago
        lol dude it is LITERALLY the first sentence here: "The blockade of the Gaza Strip is the ongoing land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel and Egypt in 2007" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip What is even the point? Can't you just admit you are wrong and Hamas has a HUGE NEGATIVE effect on Gaza? And peace process in general?