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If it's any consolation, these comments here do not reflect a general opinion and liberal leaning places seem to have this anti-Israel agenda, and it seems to b

If it's any consolation, these comments here do not reflect a general opinion and liberal leaning places seem to have this anti-Israel agenda, and it seems to be more prominent recently. Maybe I'm just paying more attention. That's not to say everything is perfect, no country is. But in perspective of everyone's actions in the region I support Israel overall. I don't want to get into a political flamewar, just wanted to offer my support. I disagree with the premise of many opinions here about Israel. Note that I'm not talking about people that are talking objectively about this specific event, I'm talking about the comments calling Israel an apartheid state, marriage, etc.

hidudeurcool 5y ago
FridayoLeary 5y ago
Thank you.
hkt 5y ago
RE the apartheid point, this isn't western liberals, it is Israeli human rights organisations: https://www.btselem.org/apartheid https://www.btselem.org/apartheid
- hunterb123 5y ago
  B’Tselem has a history of being unreliable and has an anti-Israel agenda. https://jcpa.org/article/btselem-less-reliability-credibility/ https://jcpa.org/article/btselem-less-reliability-credibilit... https://www.jpost.com/opinion/btselems-lies-468488 https://www.jpost.com/opinion/btselems-lies-468488 I didn't want to get into this like I said, but imo if the left focused more on scolding Palestine and less on Israel we'd be better off.
  - hkt 5y ago
    Do you have any international sources on this? I'm a little sceptical of the partisan angle of those posts and note they're essentially from a rival Israeli political outlook. I'm open to the idea that B'Tselem are unreliable, but highly politicised criticisms like those aren't really persuasive.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      > Do you have any international sources on this? Sources on what? What did you disagree with? > I'm open to the idea that B'Tselem are unreliable You linked an article from organization B'Tselem claiming Israel is an Apartheid state. I dont like the "angle of their post" to use your words. > note they're essentially from a rival Israeli political outlook Yes, my that's my point. B'Tselem is a political organization, simply linking to their political rant is not helpful. Unless you want to debate out what you found so convincing that B'Tselem said that PROVES Israel is an "apartheid" state this conversation is going nowhere. I cannot prove a negative. You are insuating Israel is an apartheid state, it's a bold claim with no facts. You have to have concrete reasoning to assert so, I don't have to scrum up some "international sourced" articles to shoot down propaganda from B'Tselem.
      - hkt 5y ago
        I can see I've given some offence and would like to reiterate that's not my intention. I'd continue asking questions as I remain fairly curious, but will pick another time and place. Thank you for responding, and again, apologies for any offence caused.
        hunterb123 5y ago
        No offense taken, I was simply responding to you and clarified the conversation. Whatever emotions you perceived me to have were in your head. Possibly it was the emphasis on "proves", which was simply an emphasis with the goal of highlighting you need to prove Israel is an apartheid state if you claim as such.

hidudeurcool 5y ago

FridayoLeary 5y ago

Thank you.

hkt 5y ago

RE the apartheid point, this isn't western liberals, it is Israeli human rights organisations: https://www.btselem.org/apartheid https://www.btselem.org/apartheid

hunterb123 5y ago
B’Tselem has a history of being unreliable and has an anti-Israel agenda. https://jcpa.org/article/btselem-less-reliability-credibility/ https://jcpa.org/article/btselem-less-reliability-credibilit... https://www.jpost.com/opinion/btselems-lies-468488 https://www.jpost.com/opinion/btselems-lies-468488 I didn't want to get into this like I said, but imo if the left focused more on scolding Palestine and less on Israel we'd be better off.
- hkt 5y ago
  Do you have any international sources on this? I'm a little sceptical of the partisan angle of those posts and note they're essentially from a rival Israeli political outlook. I'm open to the idea that B'Tselem are unreliable, but highly politicised criticisms like those aren't really persuasive.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    > Do you have any international sources on this? Sources on what? What did you disagree with? > I'm open to the idea that B'Tselem are unreliable You linked an article from organization B'Tselem claiming Israel is an Apartheid state. I dont like the "angle of their post" to use your words. > note they're essentially from a rival Israeli political outlook Yes, my that's my point. B'Tselem is a political organization, simply linking to their political rant is not helpful. Unless you want to debate out what you found so convincing that B'Tselem said that PROVES Israel is an "apartheid" state this conversation is going nowhere. I cannot prove a negative. You are insuating Israel is an apartheid state, it's a bold claim with no facts. You have to have concrete reasoning to assert so, I don't have to scrum up some "international sourced" articles to shoot down propaganda from B'Tselem.
    - hkt 5y ago
      I can see I've given some offence and would like to reiterate that's not my intention. I'd continue asking questions as I remain fairly curious, but will pick another time and place. Thank you for responding, and again, apologies for any offence caused.
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        No offense taken, I was simply responding to you and clarified the conversation. Whatever emotions you perceived me to have were in your head. Possibly it was the emphasis on "proves", which was simply an emphasis with the goal of highlighting you need to prove Israel is an apartheid state if you claim as such.