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Found an example pretty quick.. Please go to [1] + [2] searches, while not a big channel on YouTube, ~200K subscribers in politics is kind of big for alternati

• tsimionescu 5y ago
  There is some bias in their choice of covering Israel's crimes much more often than China's, but I don't see the China apologism. They have a more nuanced view on China's global warming actions than you often see, but that view is quite realistic. I have also found one article [0] covering China's appalling treatment of Uighurs - that is little coverage, but it at least proves that they are not entirely covering China's crimes. They also mention Mao's atrocities in another article [1], though more in passing. When you say "China apologism" I expect to see people praising China's "wonderful socialist state", talk about how free and happy the Chinese are, defend China's treatment of Uighurs (or deny it's happening) etc. Explaining that China, while being the top country by GHG total emissions, is not even in top 10 by per capita emissions is not China apologism - it is simply stating an uncomfortable fact. [0] https://novaramedia.com/2020/08/05/neither-washington-nor-beijing-the-left-must-stand-with-the-uighurs/ https://novaramedia.com/2020/08/05/neither-washington-nor-be... [1] https://novaramedia.com/2017/11/24/in-search-of-the-chinese-dream/ https://novaramedia.com/2017/11/24/in-search-of-the-chinese-...
  • yonixw 5y ago
    Sure. Look no further. The co-founder [0], Aaron Bastani, has a lot to say about Israel (nothing less than onslaught ofcourse [1]) But according to some of his twitter, we get all that you wanted: * praising China's "wonderful socialist state" [2] (more like its totalaric structure) * how ... happy the Chinese are [3] * defend China's treatment of Uighurs [4] (downplay it a lot) And after I looked, that one article you gave ([0] in your comment) is the only time they say anything about it, no mentions on their youtube or twitter. Furthermore, in the opening statement of the article, they described what the Uighur experienced as ".. have long faced discrimination". Wow... such strong words for what happend [5]. Brave and not apologetic. --------- [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novara_Media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novara_Media [1] https://novaramedia.com/?s=Aaron+Bastani+Israel https://novaramedia.com/?s=Aaron+Bastani+Israel [2] https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1462805238969253892 https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1462805238969... [3] https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1476873294338998284/photo/1 https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1476873294338998284/pho... [4] https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1476874275223126021/photo/2 https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1476874275223126021/pho... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
    • tsimionescu 5y ago
      Again, these are not the "smoking gun" examples you make them out to be. Item [3] in particular is a widely accepted opinion - you will find it expressed enthusiastically by such "tankies" as Bill Gates [0] and The Economist [1]. For item [4], his opinion seems rather complex. Here he is praising a thread that condemns China's treatment of Uyghurs in no uncertain terms [2]. Here he is again mentioning the U(i/y)ghur problem and China's authoritarian surveillance state [3]. (Note that if you want to see real honest-to-god tankies, there are plenty in the replies to his tweets. It seems an outlet called Gray Media, that they cite, is also a good example of actual tankies, directly claiming the Uyghur crisis is a "Western fabrication"). It's also important to remember that there is a major difference between Israel and China speaking from a UK/US/EU journalist: our countries are generally pouring billions of dollars of direct support, and heaps of diplomatic support, for Israel. They are doing no such thing for China. So, we have a much better reason to criticize Israel compared to China: we are partly responsible for Israel's crimes; while we bear little to no responsibility for China's (with some exceptions, such as slave labour for the production of export goods, or the status of Hong Kong). We can huff and puff all we want at China, it won't budge. Israel will. What you're doing here is similar to people complaining that Chomsky criticized the USA without criticizing the USSR as much or more. His point was simple: he lived in the USA and had some measure of say on its direction. He had no such measure of say on the USSR's behavior, so he was naturally more silent on it. [0] https://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/Goalkeepers-speech-2018 https://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/Goalkeepers-speech-20... - "In the past quarter-century, China lifted more than 500 million people out of extreme poverty" [1] https://www.economist.com/leaders/2013/06/01/towards-the-end-of-poverty https://www.economist.com/leaders/2013/06/01/towards-the-end... - "China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now." [2] https://twitter.com/aaronbastani/status/1285358145003556864 https://twitter.com/aaronbastani/status/1285358145003556864 - "Great thread Ammar.", in response to a thread that says things like "This repression is widely documented: it’s difficult to cover-up concentration camps. It’s also hard to argue against the statements of escapees who describe being ‘brainwashed’, as well as being tortured for speaking the Uyghur language and reciting the Qur’an." [3] https://twitter.com/aaronbastani/status/1115585109736996864 https://twitter.com/aaronbastani/status/1115585109736996864 - "All encompassing surveillance state...not a democracy...uighurs"