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I know this is massively off-topic (have a good well paid "retirement" Igor), but I assumed that it would be written as Dos Vidaniya instead of (the correct)
by lifeisstillgood 5y ago
I know this is massively off-topic (have a good well paid "retirement" Igor), but I assumed that it would be written as
Dos Vidaniya
instead of (the correct)
Do svidanyia
My Russian studies is limited to listening to Sean Connery in The Russia House, and I guess I took Dos from the latin languages. Odd.
- osipov 5y ago
- jjtheblunt 5y agodo (till) svidaniya (seeing, i think it's called gerundive in english grammar)
- piskov 5y agoDo (до) is basically “till” Svidaniye (Свидание) has several meanings: - most common modern single-word usage is for date as in “romantic date” - archaic is for “meeting” that remained in this goodbye form. So “do svidaniya” is literally for “till we meet again” :-)
- Tade0 5y agoI wonder why is it romanized to "do", when it's read as "da"?
- tgv 5y agoEnglish. The answer is almost always English, and its "quirky" way of transliteration.
- pezezin 5y agoI don't think so. From what little Russian I know, the original is до свидания, with an O, but in most dialects an unstressed O is pronounced A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_phonology#Unstressed_vowels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_phonology#Unstressed_v...
- ACS_Solver 5y agoIt's even more convoluted than that. Due to vowel reduction, unstressed o is pronounced as a, but до is one syllable so the o is stressed. When pronouncing до separately, it would definitely be pronounced as do, but до свидания is always said quickly as if it was one word, so the до turns into an unstressed syllable. As a side note, Russian pronunciation is remarkably uniform compared to languages like English. Dialects do exist but in practice the vast majority of speakers will pronounce things very similarly. The phonetics are also so different from English than the typical English speaker will not pronounce any Russian words close to native pronunciation.
- CRConrad 5y ago> As a side note, Russian pronunciation is remarkably uniform compared to languages like English. AFAICT, that goes for absolutely every other language too. Nothing even comes close to English for inconsistency in pronounciation (and even more so, spelling).
- pezezin 5y agoInteresting, thank you. Years ago I tried to learn Russian by myself, but it was quite difficult and I was too busy with other stuff. I hope one day I can learn it.
- amaccuish 5y agoBecause it's spelt "do" in Russian. It's only due to stress and the fact it's a preposition that the way it is said becomes "da". As the preposition is so small, it's considered together with the following word, which in the genitive has its stress on the "а".
- AzzieElbab 5y agoDos Svidanya would be a great cocktail name.
- dredmorbius 5y agoOr early PC software.
- buybackoff 5y agoIt's worse than that, the first thing that I scanned in the article is if he is alive. A title like that without a pre-defined context more often, in my native Russian perception, could mean much worse that just leaving a company. I'm glad he's doing well, I really enjoy NGINX as a casual user. It is a great gift to people. Удачи (good luck) or всего хорошего (best wishes) would not trigger such a reaction to scan the article for me. I've just counted: only on the 13th paragraph I could get the answer.
- p2t2p 5y ago> the first thing that I scanned in the article is if he is alive Same thing, my first reaction was "oh my god, no, please no" and I rushed to see if he's alive.
- jsdwarf 5y agoMaybe it was just some sort of click bait to keep the reader on the page...
- buybackoff 5y agoI would rather think machine translation and learning foreign languages should be better in general. But that is probably a C2-level subtlety, so if a non-Russian was writing that I could understand. I imagine a situation: EN copywriter asks a RU colleague how to say "Goodbye", gets "Do svidaniya" as a transliteration without a context, and just puts it there. Which sounds like farewell.
- notatoad 5y agomaybe they've updated, but the fourth paragraph is currently "we announce today Igor has chosen to step back..." which would seem to imply "not dead". but given the tone of the first three paragraphs i think even that is a bit too late in the post to clarify.
- CRConrad 5y agoYeah, but that's like the fourth paragraph. I know hardly any Russian, only about enough to recognise "da svidanja" as "goodbye", so I'm not sure "in what language" I digested the headline (=link here on HN) -- probably a bit of all of my eclectic blend of European ones... But to me it certainly felt fifty-fifty whether it was a "changed jobs" or a "dearly departed" post. Checking which it was probably constituted my main reason for clicking through.
- c7DJTLrn 5y agoI thought it was a typo and meant to say "to". Why not use Cyrillic here? Bit odd.
- xxpor 5y agoI had the same thought. I think it's more Slavic vs Germanic/Romantic. "sv", without a vowel, doesn't exist in any word I can think of. However, in Russian, consonant clusters like that are pretty common. See also, from the article, Sberbank. I'd bet there's plenty of examples in reverse too.
- zem 5y agosvelte is probably the most common english one
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- xxpor 5y agoAh that's a good one!
- personalityson 5y agos: with, together vid: videt' = to see, vid as in video anie: just a suffix like "ing" in english "till together-seeing"
- jt2190 5y agoThe process is called “Romanization of Russian” [1], and there are various standard ways to do it. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian