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> The idea that Google or Facebook "sell your data" is a myth. Do you have hard evidence for this claim?

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
It doesn't even make logical sense. Why would the company give up their edge in the market? Where does one go to buy this Facebook or Google data? Who's buying it? Surely these things would have come up in all of the Congressional hearings, right?
- bastardoperator 5y ago
  Cambridge Analytica harvested Facebook user data with help from Facebook... You go straight to Facebook or Google and become a "partner".
  - celestialcheese 5y ago
    This was a long time ago CA did this with the personality quiz apps (2013 IIRC). It's incredibly onerous and in some cases impossible to get this data legally from Facebook anymore.
    - bastardoperator 5y ago
      Facebook was fined in 2019 by the FTC for 5 billion dollars due to privacy violations. Despite the fact that data was trading hands up until 2016, I don't think it was that long ago...
      - pb7 5y ago
        Exactly, it was a scandal because data left Facebook's silos because in normal operations it does not.
    - rgavuliak 5y ago
      Yeah and then they gave access to chat data for companies like Spotify https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/19/facebook-shared-user-data-private-messages-netflix-spotify-amazon-microsoft-sony https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/19/facebook-...
- newfonewhodis 5y ago
  Data flows from and in and out of data warehouses is very commonly known now [1]. It would be very surprising to me that FB, Google and Amazon aren't participating in that marketplace. [0] https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/12/06/the-popular-family-safety-app-life360-is-selling-precise-location-data-on-its-tens-of-millions-of-user https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/12/06/the-popular-family-..., https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibillion-dollar-market-for-your-phones-location-data https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibilli..., https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/03/25/i-tried-to-use-the-ad-tech-industrys-tool-to-opt-out-of-personalized-ads-did-it-work https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/03/25/i-tried-to-use-the-... (more investigations have been done by WIRED as well).
jonathankoren 5y ago
Do you have any evidence that they're selling PII?

It doesn't even make logical sense. Why would the company give up their edge in the market? Where does one go to buy this Facebook or Google data? Who's buying it? Surely these things would have come up in all of the Congressional hearings, right?

bastardoperator 5y ago
Cambridge Analytica harvested Facebook user data with help from Facebook... You go straight to Facebook or Google and become a "partner".
- celestialcheese 5y ago
  This was a long time ago CA did this with the personality quiz apps (2013 IIRC). It's incredibly onerous and in some cases impossible to get this data legally from Facebook anymore.
  - bastardoperator 5y ago
    Facebook was fined in 2019 by the FTC for 5 billion dollars due to privacy violations. Despite the fact that data was trading hands up until 2016, I don't think it was that long ago...
    - pb7 5y ago
      Exactly, it was a scandal because data left Facebook's silos because in normal operations it does not.
  - rgavuliak 5y ago
    Yeah and then they gave access to chat data for companies like Spotify https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/19/facebook-shared-user-data-private-messages-netflix-spotify-amazon-microsoft-sony https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/19/facebook-...
newfonewhodis 5y ago
Data flows from and in and out of data warehouses is very commonly known now [1]. It would be very surprising to me that FB, Google and Amazon aren't participating in that marketplace. [0] https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/12/06/the-popular-family-safety-app-life360-is-selling-precise-location-data-on-its-tens-of-millions-of-user https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/12/06/the-popular-family-..., https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibillion-dollar-market-for-your-phones-location-data https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibilli..., https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/03/25/i-tried-to-use-the-ad-tech-industrys-tool-to-opt-out-of-personalized-ads-did-it-work https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/03/25/i-tried-to-use-the-... (more investigations have been done by WIRED as well).

jonathankoren 5y ago

Do you have any evidence that they're selling PII?