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Wine 7.0

420 points by TangerineDream 5y ago

cqz 5y ago
So as a Wine end-user, it looks like this release means no more having to have multiple wineprefixes to support both 32/64 bit applications, and also no more need to ensure libraries like libpng zlib etc are installed, either 32 or 64 bits? That seems quite nice.
- account42 5y ago
  > So as a Wine end-user, it looks like this release means no more having to have multiple wineprefixes to support both 32/64 bit applications WoW64 prefixes have been possible for a long time. > and also no more need to ensure libraries like libpng zlib etc are installed, either 32 or 64 bits? That seems quite nice That seems to be the plan, but according the release notes there are still some native 32-bit libraries that will be needed.
themodelplumber 5y ago
I love to see these updates. Wine has been so useful here that I started buying some old Windows games from Gog even though they don't specify Linux compatibility. I also went back to a vendor I used to use for Windows software and bought their latest version once I found it worked perfectly for my purposes in Wine. So, huge thanks to the Wine developers. Also, somebody has packaged Wine for Haiku OS, and it runs inside of virtualized Debian so that users can play with Windows apps. I thought that was a pretty neat idea.
- aufhebung 5y ago
  As someone acquainted with linux gaming, the general rule of thumb is that anything without anticheat works.
  - Deukhoofd 5y ago
    Thanks to Valves work, a bunch of games with anticheat are starting to work as well.
HeckFeck 5y ago
I recently used Wine to run Office 97 on Debian, just for old time's sake. I ended up liking it so much that I now use it for my word processing and spreadsheet tasks. This classic version is feature complete to me. Wine ensures it lives on, long past its support date and on an alien operating system. And clippit says hello! Screenshot for the curious: https://imgur.com/a/GmVUAfC https://imgur.com/a/GmVUAfC It shows Word 97 on Linux editing a lengthy docx converted by LibreOffice. Images, text boxes and arrows all came back to 1997 unscathed.
- mongol 5y ago
  How well does it run?
  - HeckFeck 5y ago
    Excel, Word and PowerPoint run as well as they did on Windows. All the main functionality is very stable. Wine even integrated the icons and mime-types into my DE. It is only very occasionally I hit any critical error. It has only happened when trying something obscure, like "Microsoft Maps for Excel". I haven't tried Outlook 97 yet. But poor old Access won't even get off the ground. I'm guessing due to some ODBC driver too stodgy to have a sip of Wine.
    - mongol 5y ago
      Interesting. My main use case for using Word would be for my CV. Since I don't want it to render a single bit different than on a recruiting manager's screen. Unfortunately PDF still seems to be a bit of a disadvantage in some cases.
      - HeckFeck 5y ago
        If you install modern fonts and get busy with the drawing tools, you can produce a modern styled CV. I would say the chances are good if you made a modern one and saved it as a .doc it would open identically in modern Word. (Though, I have already some ideas for a blog post on this, I might try this scenario too and see what modern Word makes of it!) I actually used Word 97 to write a report for university. I switched Arial for Calibri and they were none the wiser.
raffraffraff 5y ago
I use Wine for one thing: running MusicBee. It's a pain in the ass to get it working 100%. Every time I've tried to upgrade past wine 4.x it completely breaks my MusicBee wine prefix, so I've locked the version and will never upgrade. Ultimate goal is to wait until any native Linux music player is even 10% as good as MusicBee.
- neilsimp1 5y ago
  I used to have this problem, I ended up stopping using MusicBee. I found Sayonara to be a near 100% replacement. https://sayonara-player.com/ https://sayonara-player.com/
  - raffraffraff 5y ago
    I know I tried it and uninstalled it. Gonna try it again and let you know why I'm uninstalling it again (because I forget)
- Siecje 5y ago
  Which features do you desire? What is your ideal music player?
  - raffraffraff 5y ago
    1. Main music browser pane should be in column format (think: "excel spreadsheet" with configurable columns of metadata), with a search bar that filters on any visible column or advanced metadata search. 2. Separate "Now playing" pane so I can browse in the main page without affecting what is currently playing (lots of players break this). It's basically a separate, anonymous playlist. 3. Support for custom id3 tags. These have been around for decades but only have limited support. Some players do a half assed job, others don't bother at all, some don't even support the "comment" field. MusicBee let's me define tags and use them as columns in the music browser, Now Playing view, smart playlists, searches etc. That's it. Decent playlist management would be great but I don't find MusicBee particularly outstanding here either. What I'd like is the ability to tag my playlists with the year, moods and comments - like virtual compilation albums. I don't use my music player for stupid visualisations. I don't care about lyrics or album art. It's 100% about finding music and creating a play queue. If I like the queue I can save it as a new playlist. That's it.
kup0 5y ago
Wow, an incredible amount of work/updates in this version. So glad to see a project like this continue moving forward in significant ways and I hope that these improvements bode well for things like Proton
- lillecarl 5y ago
  I think it might be the other way around, Valve(proton) improves wine. Since they(valve) started working on game compatibility both wine, and dxvk has gotten a lot of love. Which continues to show that "real" enterprise investments are needed to advance some complex software, be it open source or not. Everything can't be done on a hobbyist basis.
  - 0xcde4c3db 5y ago
    As far as I know, Wine has not primarily been a hobbyist project for about 15 years, with the bulk of development being done by CodeWeavers, which uses it as the basis for their CrossOver product. I don't believe any of that has substantially changed with the advent of Proton, though I assume that Valve is paying CodeWeavers to also pay attention to Proton issues.
    - lillecarl 5y ago
      You're probably right, I don't know for sure but I believe Valve has employees working on these projects too, considering their investment in SteamDeck.
      - coldpie 5y ago
        > I believe Valve has employees working on these projects too Very few, actually. Most of the actual work on these projects is contracted out. You can view the git logs, not many @valvesoftware.com addresses.
acdha 5y ago
I'm hoping that I'm correctly interpreting the WoW64 portion of the notes as meaning that I could run a 32-bit x86 Windows binary using the 64-bit Wine on ARM. I don't have a common need for this but I've had a couple of cases where I needed to test compatibility with something ancient and it would have been great to be able to install something in my development environment. In one of the cases, it was a 64-bit executable with a 32-bit installer so the actual program worked as long as you could copy a previous install.
- daypay 5y ago
  That’s how I interpreted it as well for running 32-bit apps on 64-bit Host.
- The_Colonel 5y ago
  Wine Is Not an Emulator, so I doubt it will be able to run x86 apps on ARM.
  - acdha 5y ago
    I'm aware of what the acronym originally meant, but this was listed as working in the 6.x series for 64-bit x86 apps.
  - _joel 5y ago
    > - The new Apple Silicon Macs are supported, including running x86-64 binaries under Rosetta 2. Depends which ARM :)
    - lillecarl 5y ago
      Not really though, it's just another layer which isn't wine. They might put effort in to help Rosetta translate, but wine is not an emulator.
      - stuaxo 5y ago
        I think some bits got added from the point where they got Wine working on OSX PPC back in the day.
akersten 5y ago
I'd like to take a moment to be grateful for the small graces of the current copyright climate that allow projects like this to exist. If the parameters of a few lines of US Code were slightly tweaked, or a few court rulings different, we'd simply not have this amazing feat of interoperability available. It's really an amazing thing that we're able to foster projects like this in the open, and we should be careful to preserve those freedoms.
- dTal 5y ago
  Yes, and it makes you wonder what other amazing things we're missing out on, but for some quirk of law or successful lobbying.
  - weaksauce 5y ago
    > Yes, and it makes you wonder what other amazing things we're missing out on, but for some quirk of law or successful lobbying. A few simplified examples from off the top of my head: pre ww2 most employers didn't provide insurance. during ww2 healthcare was offered as a perk of the job back in the day because wage freezes caused by world war 2 inflation concerns. you can say that because of hitler that it is the way it is now and now there is a huge political donation machinery to prevent single payer health care.(downsides being that if you are rich you can get really good healthcare for less than you'd pay into a single payer system and there are millions of jobs related to the bureaucracy of being in the middle of provider and patient) china has very lax copyright/patent enforcement and as such places like shenzen's markets where you can find thousands of little electronic bits and pieces and clones are rampant with a very large maker movement. (of course there is a downside to this in that the capitalists don't get to benefit as much on whatever innovation was there originally) regulatory capture on other industries are also from that lobbying.
    - andrewstuart2 5y ago
      I find it interesting how large the maker movement is in China despite the very lax copyright. It simply has no or net positive effect, it would seem. I know I'm oversimplifying, but I think the general argument against relaxing copyright protections, at least the most common I've heard, is precisely that.
melissalobos 5y ago
> Once the remaining modules are converted to PE, this will make it possible to run 32-bit applications without installing 32-bit Unix libraries. That sounds really amazing, I can't wait. That will really simplify using 32bit windows programs on a 64 bit OS.
- lillecarl 5y ago
  Crossover has had this feature for awhile[0] 0: https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2019/12/10/celebrating-the-difficult-the-release-of-crossover-19 https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2019/12/10/celebrati...
  - melissalobos 5y ago
    It is nice to see the changes being moved to the open source version, I appreciate the fact that they do let non-paying users use those features.
- shmerl 5y ago
  Agreed, this reduces the need to keep 32-bit libraries around, though there are still native games that need that. May be something similar can be done for ELF libraries? That would be really cool.
nopenopenopeno 5y ago
I use Wine to run Photoshop CC 2018 on Ubuntu LTS and my life would be very different if that were not possible. For those curious, no I don’t use a licensed version, but I would if that were possible. Maybe it is with Wine 7.0. I will give it a try. Both Photoshop CC 2018 and Illustrator CC 2019 run flawlessly with hires monitor support and all.
- jmrm 5y ago
  I dislike how Adobe forces you to have the latest version of their software, even if you don't care about not having their support, but I think some people could could sue them for not having that support and some other legal issues. I know this because I have to help a friend to update from Windows 7 to Windows 10 due to this. She know have a relative slower OS, a slower Photoshop version, and no benefit to the work she do.
  - egypturnash 5y ago
    I have seven versions of Illustrator sitting on my computer. The last five work just fine if I try to run them (albiet with a bunch of "this is from an unknown developer" errors from OSX on the plugins for 2018). OSX says 2014 and 2015 "may be damaged or incomplete". There might be some deliberate breakage of very old versions, I dunno, but you can definitely keep on working with old versions for several years. Which is a good thing given that the .0 version of a new release has a 25% chance of being completely unusable due to either a killer bug or a feature change that breaks your workflow until enough people scream on the bug/feature request forum for them to add a fix/switch in the .1 version.
    - kradeelav 5y ago
      I think CS2-5 might be the golden era for adobe products that won't retroactively break. I know a purchased CS5 still works absolutely seamlessly on my 2010 osx, and I've ahem played around with CS2 in a different context experiencing the same. Rule of thumb I'd go for is pre-CC.
mulle_nat 5y ago
Is it possible to run Corel Painter on Linux with a recent version of Wine ? The database says "Garbage" https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9119 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio..., but the versions don't seem up to date...
- mulle_nat 5y ago
  Well I just tried Painter 11 and the installer hang. Tried Amazon Games and the installer crashed. So I guess I will wait for 8 and try again.
jdlyga 5y ago
Conversion, software version 7.0 Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub
shmerl 5y ago
I can enjoy playing Cyberpunk 2077 on Linux thanks to Wine, vkd3d-proton and Mesa projects. Kudos to all involved developers! As for PE updates, looking forward to these to be rebased: https://github.com/wine-staging/wine-staging/tree/master/patches/winepulse-PulseAudio_Support https://github.com/wine-staging/wine-staging/tree/master/pat... Switch to PE broke that.
rwmj 5y ago
I have a patch that adds AF_UNIX support (added in Windows 10). It needs help to get it upstream. https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2021-May/187049.html https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2021-May/187049....
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Have you opened up an issue on Wine's bug tracker? Looks like no one is biting at your mailing list submissions.
- stuaxo 5y ago
  Nice, maybe worth having a test in the test suite ? As another commenter wrote opening a bug is a good idea, mention a program this helps get working too.
azinman2 5y ago
Looking forward to when Word Perfect works and I can finally move my parents office off Windows.
- wanderer_ 5y ago
  I'm looking forward to the day when everyone gets moved off of Window$... :)
zureka 5y ago
I'm curious to see if this means I'll be able to use Wine again on MacOS post-Catalina (10.15) when Apple removed 32-bit support. I'm still on an Intel-based machine back from 2019 so I'm hoping this means support in the near future when a new version is available on Homebrew. Then again I might be interpreting the release notes incorrectly and getting my hopes up for nothing.
- Klonoar 5y ago
  IIRC Crossover handles this already, and there's a version of Wine compiled from the Crossover code floating around.
- vetinari 5y ago
  Wine 6 works on M1 macs with 64-bit binaries. I'm using it for Mikrotik Winbox and it works wonderfully. (Though Mikrotik cares for Wine compatibility).
- ceceron 5y ago
  The Crossover version works well on post-Catalina systems. You can just buy it or... compile their code :) There is a gcenx build available here: https://github.com/Gcenx/homebrew-wine https://github.com/Gcenx/homebrew-wine .
jcims 5y ago
I just got into astrophotography and Wine has been a blessing to have. There are a lot of tools that are wintel only and being able to just run them without going through the hassle of building a vm has been fantastic.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Do the apps you run talk to hardware at all? I haven't run into a case where I've needed to run Windows apps to communicate with hardware, so I'm interested in whether that's something Wine has already tackled well.
  - jcims 5y ago
    Yes, almost exclusively low speed serial comms (ASCOM to the mount) and it generally has been flawless. The only lesson learned is that there is a wine config file that maps serial ports out of the box and I had to nuke that config to pick up my serial port (it was on /dev/ttyUSB0 vs/dev/ttySx)
heavyset_go 5y ago
Wine is one of those projects that really blew my mind when I first tried it out, and made Linux a fascinating OS to use. Hooking it up with binfmt_misc can make running Windows binaries on Linux a seamless process. It was also great on macOS. One of the coolest things about Wine is Winelib. If you compile against it, you can create a binary that will run natively on Windows, and it will run in Wine on any Wine-enabled platform like Linux, BSD, macOS or HaikuOS. Instead of targeting Windows and hoping the resulting binary will work on Wine, you get Windows and multi-platform Wine support for free.
Ericson2314 5y ago
> The Clang compiler in MSVC mode is supported. This is very good, because it means cross compiling and testing Windows builds from Unix just got a lot better.
stuaxo 5y ago
I'm curious to see some screenshots with the new theme. It seems somebody does some work on themes about every year or two.
- abrowne 5y ago
  I think this article shows one (barely): https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/wine-7-0-released-with-tons-of-improvements-including-a-new-theme https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/wine-7-0-released-with-t...
lucas_membrane 5y ago
Isn't linux still falling farther behind? If I want to use my linux desktop to run some of the gazillion inexpensive apps written for the computerphones or any of the bazillion high-prestige apps written for the Apple desktops, what are my chances?
- danielheath 5y ago
  Apple desktop: slim chance at best. There's a similar effort to port cocoa. iOS: Forget it. Android: Apps that work on x86 smartphones run easily on x86 desktops; apps that only work on arm phones require emulation on x86 and it's substantially more complex to get working, but you can do it.
  - account42 5y ago
    > Apple desktop: slim chance at best. There's a similar effort to port cocoa. iOS: Forget it. For reference, the macOS not-an-emulator is Darling [0] but yes, there does not seem to be enough interest for it to catch up any time soon. [0] https://www.darlinghq.org/ https://www.darlinghq.org/
sir_brickalot 5y ago
Was anyone able to run Foobar2000, the best music player/manager of all time, on Mac? I always had audio glitches on Macos <10.15 and didn't manage to get it running with Macos >10.15 due to x64. The native Mac version is by far not sufficient unfortunately.
captaincaveman 5y ago
Also worth being aware of https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover (wine based) Fairly cheap and great for not having to have a windows machine at work!
madduci 5y ago
Interesting how after so many and great improvements on Audio and Video stacks, but the Smart Card and Certificate Management stack is pretty not existing/not working. Hope it will improve someday on this direction as well

cqz 5y ago

So as a Wine end-user, it looks like this release means no more having to have multiple wineprefixes to support both 32/64 bit applications, and also no more need to ensure libraries like libpng zlib etc are installed, either 32 or 64 bits? That seems quite nice.

account42 5y ago
> So as a Wine end-user, it looks like this release means no more having to have multiple wineprefixes to support both 32/64 bit applications WoW64 prefixes have been possible for a long time. > and also no more need to ensure libraries like libpng zlib etc are installed, either 32 or 64 bits? That seems quite nice That seems to be the plan, but according the release notes there are still some native 32-bit libraries that will be needed.

themodelplumber 5y ago

I love to see these updates. Wine has been so useful here that I started buying some old Windows games from Gog even though they don't specify Linux compatibility. I also went back to a vendor I used to use for Windows software and bought their latest version once I found it worked perfectly for my purposes in Wine. So, huge thanks to the Wine developers. Also, somebody has packaged Wine for Haiku OS, and it runs inside of virtualized Debian so that users can play with Windows apps. I thought that was a pretty neat idea.

aufhebung 5y ago
As someone acquainted with linux gaming, the general rule of thumb is that anything without anticheat works.
- Deukhoofd 5y ago
  Thanks to Valves work, a bunch of games with anticheat are starting to work as well.

HeckFeck 5y ago

I recently used Wine to run Office 97 on Debian, just for old time's sake. I ended up liking it so much that I now use it for my word processing and spreadsheet tasks. This classic version is feature complete to me. Wine ensures it lives on, long past its support date and on an alien operating system. And clippit says hello! Screenshot for the curious: https://imgur.com/a/GmVUAfC https://imgur.com/a/GmVUAfC It shows Word 97 on Linux editing a lengthy docx converted by LibreOffice. Images, text boxes and arrows all came back to 1997 unscathed.

mongol 5y ago
How well does it run?
- HeckFeck 5y ago
  Excel, Word and PowerPoint run as well as they did on Windows. All the main functionality is very stable. Wine even integrated the icons and mime-types into my DE. It is only very occasionally I hit any critical error. It has only happened when trying something obscure, like "Microsoft Maps for Excel". I haven't tried Outlook 97 yet. But poor old Access won't even get off the ground. I'm guessing due to some ODBC driver too stodgy to have a sip of Wine.
  - mongol 5y ago
    Interesting. My main use case for using Word would be for my CV. Since I don't want it to render a single bit different than on a recruiting manager's screen. Unfortunately PDF still seems to be a bit of a disadvantage in some cases.
    - HeckFeck 5y ago
      If you install modern fonts and get busy with the drawing tools, you can produce a modern styled CV. I would say the chances are good if you made a modern one and saved it as a .doc it would open identically in modern Word. (Though, I have already some ideas for a blog post on this, I might try this scenario too and see what modern Word makes of it!) I actually used Word 97 to write a report for university. I switched Arial for Calibri and they were none the wiser.

raffraffraff 5y ago

I use Wine for one thing: running MusicBee. It's a pain in the ass to get it working 100%. Every time I've tried to upgrade past wine 4.x it completely breaks my MusicBee wine prefix, so I've locked the version and will never upgrade. Ultimate goal is to wait until any native Linux music player is even 10% as good as MusicBee.

neilsimp1 5y ago
I used to have this problem, I ended up stopping using MusicBee. I found Sayonara to be a near 100% replacement. https://sayonara-player.com/ https://sayonara-player.com/
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  I know I tried it and uninstalled it. Gonna try it again and let you know why I'm uninstalling it again (because I forget)
Siecje 5y ago
Which features do you desire? What is your ideal music player?
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  1. Main music browser pane should be in column format (think: "excel spreadsheet" with configurable columns of metadata), with a search bar that filters on any visible column or advanced metadata search. 2. Separate "Now playing" pane so I can browse in the main page without affecting what is currently playing (lots of players break this). It's basically a separate, anonymous playlist. 3. Support for custom id3 tags. These have been around for decades but only have limited support. Some players do a half assed job, others don't bother at all, some don't even support the "comment" field. MusicBee let's me define tags and use them as columns in the music browser, Now Playing view, smart playlists, searches etc. That's it. Decent playlist management would be great but I don't find MusicBee particularly outstanding here either. What I'd like is the ability to tag my playlists with the year, moods and comments - like virtual compilation albums. I don't use my music player for stupid visualisations. I don't care about lyrics or album art. It's 100% about finding music and creating a play queue. If I like the queue I can save it as a new playlist. That's it.

kup0 5y ago

Wow, an incredible amount of work/updates in this version. So glad to see a project like this continue moving forward in significant ways and I hope that these improvements bode well for things like Proton

lillecarl 5y ago
I think it might be the other way around, Valve(proton) improves wine. Since they(valve) started working on game compatibility both wine, and dxvk has gotten a lot of love. Which continues to show that "real" enterprise investments are needed to advance some complex software, be it open source or not. Everything can't be done on a hobbyist basis.
- 0xcde4c3db 5y ago
  As far as I know, Wine has not primarily been a hobbyist project for about 15 years, with the bulk of development being done by CodeWeavers, which uses it as the basis for their CrossOver product. I don't believe any of that has substantially changed with the advent of Proton, though I assume that Valve is paying CodeWeavers to also pay attention to Proton issues.
  - lillecarl 5y ago
    You're probably right, I don't know for sure but I believe Valve has employees working on these projects too, considering their investment in SteamDeck.
    - coldpie 5y ago
      > I believe Valve has employees working on these projects too Very few, actually. Most of the actual work on these projects is contracted out. You can view the git logs, not many @valvesoftware.com addresses.

acdha 5y ago

I'm hoping that I'm correctly interpreting the WoW64 portion of the notes as meaning that I could run a 32-bit x86 Windows binary using the 64-bit Wine on ARM. I don't have a common need for this but I've had a couple of cases where I needed to test compatibility with something ancient and it would have been great to be able to install something in my development environment. In one of the cases, it was a 64-bit executable with a 32-bit installer so the actual program worked as long as you could copy a previous install.

daypay 5y ago
That’s how I interpreted it as well for running 32-bit apps on 64-bit Host.
The_Colonel 5y ago
Wine Is Not an Emulator, so I doubt it will be able to run x86 apps on ARM.
- acdha 5y ago
  I'm aware of what the acronym originally meant, but this was listed as working in the 6.x series for 64-bit x86 apps.
- _joel 5y ago
  > - The new Apple Silicon Macs are supported, including running x86-64 binaries under Rosetta 2. Depends which ARM :)
  - lillecarl 5y ago
    Not really though, it's just another layer which isn't wine. They might put effort in to help Rosetta translate, but wine is not an emulator.
    - stuaxo 5y ago
      I think some bits got added from the point where they got Wine working on OSX PPC back in the day.

akersten 5y ago

I'd like to take a moment to be grateful for the small graces of the current copyright climate that allow projects like this to exist. If the parameters of a few lines of US Code were slightly tweaked, or a few court rulings different, we'd simply not have this amazing feat of interoperability available. It's really an amazing thing that we're able to foster projects like this in the open, and we should be careful to preserve those freedoms.

dTal 5y ago
Yes, and it makes you wonder what other amazing things we're missing out on, but for some quirk of law or successful lobbying.
- weaksauce 5y ago
  > Yes, and it makes you wonder what other amazing things we're missing out on, but for some quirk of law or successful lobbying. A few simplified examples from off the top of my head: pre ww2 most employers didn't provide insurance. during ww2 healthcare was offered as a perk of the job back in the day because wage freezes caused by world war 2 inflation concerns. you can say that because of hitler that it is the way it is now and now there is a huge political donation machinery to prevent single payer health care.(downsides being that if you are rich you can get really good healthcare for less than you'd pay into a single payer system and there are millions of jobs related to the bureaucracy of being in the middle of provider and patient) china has very lax copyright/patent enforcement and as such places like shenzen's markets where you can find thousands of little electronic bits and pieces and clones are rampant with a very large maker movement. (of course there is a downside to this in that the capitalists don't get to benefit as much on whatever innovation was there originally) regulatory capture on other industries are also from that lobbying.
  - andrewstuart2 5y ago
    I find it interesting how large the maker movement is in China despite the very lax copyright. It simply has no or net positive effect, it would seem. I know I'm oversimplifying, but I think the general argument against relaxing copyright protections, at least the most common I've heard, is precisely that.

melissalobos 5y ago

> Once the remaining modules are converted to PE, this will make it possible to run 32-bit applications without installing 32-bit Unix libraries. That sounds really amazing, I can't wait. That will really simplify using 32bit windows programs on a 64 bit OS.

lillecarl 5y ago
Crossover has had this feature for awhile[0] 0: https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2019/12/10/celebrating-the-difficult-the-release-of-crossover-19 https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2019/12/10/celebrati...
- melissalobos 5y ago
  It is nice to see the changes being moved to the open source version, I appreciate the fact that they do let non-paying users use those features.
shmerl 5y ago
Agreed, this reduces the need to keep 32-bit libraries around, though there are still native games that need that. May be something similar can be done for ELF libraries? That would be really cool.

nopenopenopeno 5y ago

I use Wine to run Photoshop CC 2018 on Ubuntu LTS and my life would be very different if that were not possible. For those curious, no I don’t use a licensed version, but I would if that were possible. Maybe it is with Wine 7.0. I will give it a try. Both Photoshop CC 2018 and Illustrator CC 2019 run flawlessly with hires monitor support and all.

jmrm 5y ago
I dislike how Adobe forces you to have the latest version of their software, even if you don't care about not having their support, but I think some people could could sue them for not having that support and some other legal issues. I know this because I have to help a friend to update from Windows 7 to Windows 10 due to this. She know have a relative slower OS, a slower Photoshop version, and no benefit to the work she do.
- egypturnash 5y ago
  I have seven versions of Illustrator sitting on my computer. The last five work just fine if I try to run them (albiet with a bunch of "this is from an unknown developer" errors from OSX on the plugins for 2018). OSX says 2014 and 2015 "may be damaged or incomplete". There might be some deliberate breakage of very old versions, I dunno, but you can definitely keep on working with old versions for several years. Which is a good thing given that the .0 version of a new release has a 25% chance of being completely unusable due to either a killer bug or a feature change that breaks your workflow until enough people scream on the bug/feature request forum for them to add a fix/switch in the .1 version.
  - kradeelav 5y ago
    I think CS2-5 might be the golden era for adobe products that won't retroactively break. I know a purchased CS5 still works absolutely seamlessly on my 2010 osx, and I've ahem played around with CS2 in a different context experiencing the same. Rule of thumb I'd go for is pre-CC.

mulle_nat 5y ago

Is it possible to run Corel Painter on Linux with a recent version of Wine ? The database says "Garbage" https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9119 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio..., but the versions don't seem up to date...

mulle_nat 5y ago
Well I just tried Painter 11 and the installer hang. Tried Amazon Games and the installer crashed. So I guess I will wait for 8 and try again.

jdlyga 5y ago

Conversion, software version 7.0 Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub

shmerl 5y ago

I can enjoy playing Cyberpunk 2077 on Linux thanks to Wine, vkd3d-proton and Mesa projects. Kudos to all involved developers! As for PE updates, looking forward to these to be rebased: https://github.com/wine-staging/wine-staging/tree/master/patches/winepulse-PulseAudio_Support https://github.com/wine-staging/wine-staging/tree/master/pat... Switch to PE broke that.

rwmj 5y ago

I have a patch that adds AF_UNIX support (added in Windows 10). It needs help to get it upstream. https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2021-May/187049.html https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2021-May/187049....

heavyset_go 5y ago
Have you opened up an issue on Wine's bug tracker? Looks like no one is biting at your mailing list submissions.
stuaxo 5y ago
Nice, maybe worth having a test in the test suite ? As another commenter wrote opening a bug is a good idea, mention a program this helps get working too.

azinman2 5y ago

Looking forward to when Word Perfect works and I can finally move my parents office off Windows.

wanderer_ 5y ago
I'm looking forward to the day when everyone gets moved off of Window$... :)

zureka 5y ago

I'm curious to see if this means I'll be able to use Wine again on MacOS post-Catalina (10.15) when Apple removed 32-bit support. I'm still on an Intel-based machine back from 2019 so I'm hoping this means support in the near future when a new version is available on Homebrew. Then again I might be interpreting the release notes incorrectly and getting my hopes up for nothing.

Klonoar 5y ago
IIRC Crossover handles this already, and there's a version of Wine compiled from the Crossover code floating around.
vetinari 5y ago
Wine 6 works on M1 macs with 64-bit binaries. I'm using it for Mikrotik Winbox and it works wonderfully. (Though Mikrotik cares for Wine compatibility).
ceceron 5y ago
The Crossover version works well on post-Catalina systems. You can just buy it or... compile their code :) There is a gcenx build available here: https://github.com/Gcenx/homebrew-wine https://github.com/Gcenx/homebrew-wine .

jcims 5y ago

I just got into astrophotography and Wine has been a blessing to have. There are a lot of tools that are wintel only and being able to just run them without going through the hassle of building a vm has been fantastic.

heavyset_go 5y ago
Do the apps you run talk to hardware at all? I haven't run into a case where I've needed to run Windows apps to communicate with hardware, so I'm interested in whether that's something Wine has already tackled well.
- jcims 5y ago
  Yes, almost exclusively low speed serial comms (ASCOM to the mount) and it generally has been flawless. The only lesson learned is that there is a wine config file that maps serial ports out of the box and I had to nuke that config to pick up my serial port (it was on /dev/ttyUSB0 vs/dev/ttySx)

heavyset_go 5y ago

Wine is one of those projects that really blew my mind when I first tried it out, and made Linux a fascinating OS to use. Hooking it up with binfmt_misc can make running Windows binaries on Linux a seamless process. It was also great on macOS. One of the coolest things about Wine is Winelib. If you compile against it, you can create a binary that will run natively on Windows, and it will run in Wine on any Wine-enabled platform like Linux, BSD, macOS or HaikuOS. Instead of targeting Windows and hoping the resulting binary will work on Wine, you get Windows and multi-platform Wine support for free.

Ericson2314 5y ago

> The Clang compiler in MSVC mode is supported. This is very good, because it means cross compiling and testing Windows builds from Unix just got a lot better.

stuaxo 5y ago

I'm curious to see some screenshots with the new theme. It seems somebody does some work on themes about every year or two.

abrowne 5y ago
I think this article shows one (barely): https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/wine-7-0-released-with-tons-of-improvements-including-a-new-theme https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/wine-7-0-released-with-t...

lucas_membrane 5y ago

Isn't linux still falling farther behind? If I want to use my linux desktop to run some of the gazillion inexpensive apps written for the computerphones or any of the bazillion high-prestige apps written for the Apple desktops, what are my chances?

danielheath 5y ago
Apple desktop: slim chance at best. There's a similar effort to port cocoa. iOS: Forget it. Android: Apps that work on x86 smartphones run easily on x86 desktops; apps that only work on arm phones require emulation on x86 and it's substantially more complex to get working, but you can do it.
- account42 5y ago
  > Apple desktop: slim chance at best. There's a similar effort to port cocoa. iOS: Forget it. For reference, the macOS not-an-emulator is Darling [0] but yes, there does not seem to be enough interest for it to catch up any time soon. [0] https://www.darlinghq.org/ https://www.darlinghq.org/

sir_brickalot 5y ago

Was anyone able to run Foobar2000, the best music player/manager of all time, on Mac? I always had audio glitches on Macos <10.15 and didn't manage to get it running with Macos >10.15 due to x64. The native Mac version is by far not sufficient unfortunately.

captaincaveman 5y ago

Also worth being aware of https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover (wine based) Fairly cheap and great for not having to have a windows machine at work!

madduci 5y ago

Interesting how after so many and great improvements on Audio and Video stacks, but the Smart Card and Certificate Management stack is pretty not existing/not working. Hope it will improve someday on this direction as well