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Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Ga

by yonixw 5y ago

Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

ak39 5y ago
Have they given up West Bank yet?
gambiting 5y ago
Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/megalist_israels_crimes_controversies_full/ https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...
- yonixw 5y ago
  You do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is: [1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence#Palestinian_attitudes_towards_political_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence...
  - markdown 5y ago
    - yonixw 5y ago
      1) You didn't open the link... now did you? 2) "sacrificing his own life" what a poetic gesture ... never thought of a terrorist bomb suiciding as such a beautiful act.
      - markdown 5y ago
        He gave up his own life trying to fight an unwinnable war against genocidal colonising europeans who had taken over his motherland, forced his people into barely habitable camps, and crushed their souls in a decades-long campaign of violence. There's nothing beautiful about it. It's all ugly.
        yonixw 5y ago
        You are a poet... Now back to reality. They waited to suicide bomb themselves near the maximum available innocent bystanders, to kill as much people. while their leaders hide in their mansions. They are the scum of the earth. And thankfully, Israel stopped them.
        cmurf 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lehi_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lehi_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_operations Terrorist or freedom fighter depends on which side you're on.
        yonixw 5y ago
        [1] "...The group [Lehi] referred to its members as terrorists and admitted to having carried out terrorist attacks." [2] "... The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization ... , In particular, the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by ... the 1946 Zionist Congress and the Jewish Agency" Seems like everyone agreed they are terrorists... But, even then: [2] " However, Bruce Hoffman and Max Abrahms [claims] ... the Irgun went to considerable lengths to avoid harming civilians, such as issuing pre-attack warnings;" So turns out it very easy to separate terrorist from freedom fighter. Just see if civilians are one of their targets. Multiple suicide bombing in public buses in the past and Rockets on civilians [3] in the present tells us all the story we need about the org that sent them. (See the "Motives" section in [3]) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_...
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    How many people have been killed by Palestinians in Israel since, say, 2011 (the last ten years?) How many has Israel killed in Palestine in the same time frame? I will not even go into the difference between lone gunmen and state-sanctioned killings. Let's accept that any Palestinian killing an Isareli should be treated the same as an officer of the Israeli military or police, acting in their official capacity, killing a Palestinian. Even so, which way has the balance turned in the last 10-20 years?
    - yonixw 5y ago
      According to the UN (since 1/1/10): [1] x18 in favor of Israelis... 220-vs-4032. Most of the Palestinians (3000) were killed in Gaza. Which bring me back to my original point. Israel gave Gaza control to the Palestinians in 2005 only to wake up the next year to find Hamas taking control and later starting to shoot rockets at Israeli civilians. All the power and support they gain only mounted to terror. I will acknowledge Israel is stronger. But I also acknowledge what happens in Gaza is 85% due to the Hamas terroristic organization being terroristic. How the hell does that even imply Israel as an apartheid. Who knows. Is the fact the Egypt also closes the border with Gaza, Make them also an apartheid state? I guess the problem here is not Israel. [1] https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
      - tsimionescu 5y ago
        Is Egypt occupying the Gaza strip, and controlling what enters the strip over water or air? Are they allowing one nationality to cross the border and not another (not that there are too many people of Jewish decent left in the Gaza strip)? And, how is the fact that for every Palestinian terrorist Israel killed 10 civilians Palestine's fault? Also, Israel didn't "give Gaza control to the Palestinians" in 2005, they only gave them limited self-government power. They still couldn't control their own border, didn't have access to a source of water etc. And none of the people who fled their homes in Israel during the previous wars was allowed to return home, unless they were of Jewish descent.
        5y ago
- mysterEFrank 5y ago
  This blames Israel for 9/11, what a joke.
  - terr-dav 5y ago
    Does it? >(32) 5 Israelis working for an Israeli Company "Urban Moving" were arrested on 9/11 after being seen "documenting" (their own words during an Israeli interview) and celebrating the attack on the WTC. Owner of the company, Dominik Suter, fled to Israel after the incident. His name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the 9/11 hijackers and other suspected extremists. Israel has yet to extradiate him (2001):
    - yonixw 5y ago
      The FBI released them [1].. as they were found out to be spies but not with any pre-knowledge about 9/11 so why even include that in the list? Unless you want to do a little dog-whistling. This is Anti-Semitism 101 (Jews controls the world). [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20020802194310/https://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html https://web.archive.org/web/20020802194310/https://abcnews.g... and also [2] "Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories" Page 7 : https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/anti-semitic-9-11-conspiracy-theories.pdf https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf... "...despite the FBI's statement that it had found no connection between the five men and the attacks."
- weatherlite 5y ago
  HN is quickly deteriorating to Gab/Zero Hedge quality, nice.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    Posting a list of links with sources is now Gab quality? Do they even bother to post their sources ever?
    - weatherlite 5y ago
      Sure they do why wouldn't they, they have their own resources and their own truth.

by yonixw 5y ago

ak39 5y ago

Have they given up West Bank yet?

gambiting 5y ago

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/megalist_israels_crimes_controversies_full/ https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

yonixw 5y ago
You do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is: [1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence#Palestinian_attitudes_towards_political_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence...
- markdown 5y ago
  - yonixw 5y ago
    1) You didn't open the link... now did you? 2) "sacrificing his own life" what a poetic gesture ... never thought of a terrorist bomb suiciding as such a beautiful act.
    - markdown 5y ago
      He gave up his own life trying to fight an unwinnable war against genocidal colonising europeans who had taken over his motherland, forced his people into barely habitable camps, and crushed their souls in a decades-long campaign of violence. There's nothing beautiful about it. It's all ugly.
      - yonixw 5y ago
        You are a poet... Now back to reality. They waited to suicide bomb themselves near the maximum available innocent bystanders, to kill as much people. while their leaders hide in their mansions. They are the scum of the earth. And thankfully, Israel stopped them.
        cmurf 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lehi_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lehi_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_operations Terrorist or freedom fighter depends on which side you're on.
        yonixw 5y ago
        [1] "...The group [Lehi] referred to its members as terrorists and admitted to having carried out terrorist attacks." [2] "... The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization ... , In particular, the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by ... the 1946 Zionist Congress and the Jewish Agency" Seems like everyone agreed they are terrorists... But, even then: [2] " However, Bruce Hoffman and Max Abrahms [claims] ... the Irgun went to considerable lengths to avoid harming civilians, such as issuing pre-attack warnings;" So turns out it very easy to separate terrorist from freedom fighter. Just see if civilians are one of their targets. Multiple suicide bombing in public buses in the past and Rockets on civilians [3] in the present tells us all the story we need about the org that sent them. (See the "Motives" section in [3]) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_...
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  How many people have been killed by Palestinians in Israel since, say, 2011 (the last ten years?) How many has Israel killed in Palestine in the same time frame? I will not even go into the difference between lone gunmen and state-sanctioned killings. Let's accept that any Palestinian killing an Isareli should be treated the same as an officer of the Israeli military or police, acting in their official capacity, killing a Palestinian. Even so, which way has the balance turned in the last 10-20 years?
  - yonixw 5y ago
    According to the UN (since 1/1/10): [1] x18 in favor of Israelis... 220-vs-4032. Most of the Palestinians (3000) were killed in Gaza. Which bring me back to my original point. Israel gave Gaza control to the Palestinians in 2005 only to wake up the next year to find Hamas taking control and later starting to shoot rockets at Israeli civilians. All the power and support they gain only mounted to terror. I will acknowledge Israel is stronger. But I also acknowledge what happens in Gaza is 85% due to the Hamas terroristic organization being terroristic. How the hell does that even imply Israel as an apartheid. Who knows. Is the fact the Egypt also closes the border with Gaza, Make them also an apartheid state? I guess the problem here is not Israel. [1] https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      Is Egypt occupying the Gaza strip, and controlling what enters the strip over water or air? Are they allowing one nationality to cross the border and not another (not that there are too many people of Jewish decent left in the Gaza strip)? And, how is the fact that for every Palestinian terrorist Israel killed 10 civilians Palestine's fault? Also, Israel didn't "give Gaza control to the Palestinians" in 2005, they only gave them limited self-government power. They still couldn't control their own border, didn't have access to a source of water etc. And none of the people who fled their homes in Israel during the previous wars was allowed to return home, unless they were of Jewish descent.
      - 5y ago
mysterEFrank 5y ago
This blames Israel for 9/11, what a joke.
- terr-dav 5y ago
  Does it? >(32) 5 Israelis working for an Israeli Company "Urban Moving" were arrested on 9/11 after being seen "documenting" (their own words during an Israeli interview) and celebrating the attack on the WTC. Owner of the company, Dominik Suter, fled to Israel after the incident. His name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the 9/11 hijackers and other suspected extremists. Israel has yet to extradiate him (2001):
  - yonixw 5y ago
    The FBI released them [1].. as they were found out to be spies but not with any pre-knowledge about 9/11 so why even include that in the list? Unless you want to do a little dog-whistling. This is Anti-Semitism 101 (Jews controls the world). [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20020802194310/https://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html https://web.archive.org/web/20020802194310/https://abcnews.g... and also [2] "Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories" Page 7 : https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/anti-semitic-9-11-conspiracy-theories.pdf https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf... "...despite the FBI's statement that it had found no connection between the five men and the attacks."
weatherlite 5y ago
HN is quickly deteriorating to Gab/Zero Hedge quality, nice.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Posting a list of links with sources is now Gab quality? Do they even bother to post their sources ever?
  - weatherlite 5y ago
    Sure they do why wouldn't they, they have their own resources and their own truth.