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This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go l
by voz_ 5y ago
This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?
- gambiting 5y agoIf I can quote someone else for putting it much better than I would: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ndik83/south_african_government_calls_for_israel_to_be/gyb7a90/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ndik83/south_afr... "Israel is the nation state of Jews alone" Netanyahu responds to TV star saying Arabs are equal citizens (2019): source: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-is-the-nation-state-of-jews-alone-netanyahu-responds-to-tv-star-who-said-arabs-are-equal-citizens-1.7003348 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-is-the-n...
- DSingularity 5y agoIf it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s Apartheid?
- tsimionescu 5y agoMany countries in the Middle East are islamic theocracies, so they limit religious freedom by their very constitution. However, even in Iran, a person of Jewish heritage who converts to Islam should not have any (official legal) barriers to entry in political life. In a country ruled by a church, that seems relatively reasonable.
- bhelkey 5y agoI believe the comment was referring to 'a person of Jewish heritage' who do not convert to Islam.
- tsimionescu 5y agoYes, but that is essentially like complaining that a Hindu believer can't become Pope. Iran is a country that, by its own constitution, is controlled by the Church. I don't agree and would hate to live in such a country, but that is their chosen form of government. I don't know of any Church that accepts people of other religions as members or especially church leadership. But, most Churches accept anyone who converts.
- kome 5y agoyou forgot about palestine.
- voz_ 5y agoThey are their own government, with their own people, who readily elected a terrorist group to leadership.
- forinti 5y agoThey can't even dispose of their own territory, given that Israel builds settlements inside the West Bank. Gaza is totally closed off to the World: Israel decides what comes in or out. It can be argued, therefore, that Israel is de facto the state.
- denton-scratch 5y agoHAMAS was declared a terrorist group after they were elected by a majority in the Gaza Strip.
- yonixw 5y agoMore like after Hamas fighters took control of the Gaza Strip and removed Fatah officials [0]. So who destroyed their government and effectively haven't allowed any election since? Hamas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
- denton-scratch 5y agoThat's not what happened. There was a fair election in Gaza, which was won by Hamas. The new government was perfectly within its rights to remove Fatah officials. Fatah launched an armed rebellion in Gaza. Wikipedia is hopelessly unreliable on anything to do with the Middle East. -> Didn't read.
- yonixw 5y ago
- notsureaboutpg 5y ago
- 0xcde4c3db 5y ago> Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. This point is scarcely more than a deflection; the fulcrum of Israel's apartheid regime consists primarily in which Arabs are permitted to be citizens, and in particular those whose parents and grandparents were violently driven from Israel's current territory in what Palestinian Arabs call the Nakba [1]. The Israeli government blatantly wants to both claim the right to authorize violence in the occupied territories and blame the nominal governments of those territories for that violence. And however you want to frame the conflict philosophically, the practical reality is that the IDF has vastly more capacity to enact violence than do Hezbollah or Hamas. When was the last time either of them leveled a 10+-story apartment building in Israel [2]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba [2] https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/05/12/gaza-al-shorouk-tower-israel-airstrike-oneworld-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/05/12/gaza-al-shorouk-...
- nayaketo 5y agoHow many Arab nations allow Jews that migrated to Israel back to their countries? Or are Arabs allowed exclusionary policies and only Israel has to be different to not be labelled as "apartheid" by the woke ones?