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It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!
by terr-dav 5y ago
It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!
- voz_ 5y agoThis is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?
- gambiting 5y agoIf I can quote someone else for putting it much better than I would: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ndik83/south_african_government_calls_for_israel_to_be/gyb7a90/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ndik83/south_afr... "Israel is the nation state of Jews alone" Netanyahu responds to TV star saying Arabs are equal citizens (2019): source: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-is-the-nation-state-of-jews-alone-netanyahu-responds-to-tv-star-who-said-arabs-are-equal-citizens-1.7003348 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-is-the-n...
- DSingularity 5y agoIf it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s Apartheid?
- tsimionescu 5y agoMany countries in the Middle East are islamic theocracies, so they limit religious freedom by their very constitution. However, even in Iran, a person of Jewish heritage who converts to Islam should not have any (official legal) barriers to entry in political life. In a country ruled by a church, that seems relatively reasonable.
- bhelkey 5y agoI believe the comment was referring to 'a person of Jewish heritage' who do not convert to Islam.
- tsimionescu 5y agoYes, but that is essentially like complaining that a Hindu believer can't become Pope. Iran is a country that, by its own constitution, is controlled by the Church. I don't agree and would hate to live in such a country, but that is their chosen form of government. I don't know of any Church that accepts people of other religions as members or especially church leadership. But, most Churches accept anyone who converts.
- kome 5y agoyou forgot about palestine.
- voz_ 5y agoThey are their own government, with their own people, who readily elected a terrorist group to leadership.
- forinti 5y agoThey can't even dispose of their own territory, given that Israel builds settlements inside the West Bank. Gaza is totally closed off to the World: Israel decides what comes in or out. It can be argued, therefore, that Israel is de facto the state.
- denton-scratch 5y agoHAMAS was declared a terrorist group after they were elected by a majority in the Gaza Strip.
- yonixw 5y agoMore like after Hamas fighters took control of the Gaza Strip and removed Fatah officials [0]. So who destroyed their government and effectively haven't allowed any election since? Hamas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
- denton-scratch 5y agoThat's not what happened. There was a fair election in Gaza, which was won by Hamas. The new government was perfectly within its rights to remove Fatah officials. Fatah launched an armed rebellion in Gaza. Wikipedia is hopelessly unreliable on anything to do with the Middle East. -> Didn't read.
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- 0xcde4c3db 5y ago> Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. This point is scarcely more than a deflection; the fulcrum of Israel's apartheid regime consists primarily in which Arabs are permitted to be citizens, and in particular those whose parents and grandparents were violently driven from Israel's current territory in what Palestinian Arabs call the Nakba [1]. The Israeli government blatantly wants to both claim the right to authorize violence in the occupied territories and blame the nominal governments of those territories for that violence. And however you want to frame the conflict philosophically, the practical reality is that the IDF has vastly more capacity to enact violence than do Hezbollah or Hamas. When was the last time either of them leveled a 10+-story apartment building in Israel [2]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba [2] https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/05/12/gaza-al-shorouk-tower-israel-airstrike-oneworld-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/05/12/gaza-al-shorouk-...
- nayaketo 5y agoHow many Arab nations allow Jews that migrated to Israel back to their countries? Or are Arabs allowed exclusionary policies and only Israel has to be different to not be labelled as "apartheid" by the woke ones?
- yonixw 5y agoYep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...
- ak39 5y agoHave they given up West Bank yet?
- gambiting 5y agoHere's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/megalist_israels_crimes_controversies_full/ https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...
- yonixw 5y agoYou do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is: [1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence#Palestinian_attitudes_towards_political_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence...
- alphakilo 5y agoAll Israelis have equal rights, why do you say Israel an apartheid state?
- terr-dav 5y agoAll people residing in Israel do not have equal rights. Why do you think they have equal rights?
- ciphol 5y agoThat's true in every country. Citizens and noncitizens have unequal rights.
- terr-dav 5y agoHaha, what a huge oversight on my part, of course citizens and non-citizens have different rights. One of the legal principles of Israel is: > The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people. [0] There's also a legal path from citizenship to legal-residency, which I would surmise is used almost exclusively on non-Jewish citizens, as well as the blanket permission for all Jewish people (and no one else) to become citizens of Israel. [0]https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-st...
- KennyBlanken 5y agoEqual rights apart from not being able to "lease" ~15% of the total land area in the country which is owned by a religious organization that does not lease land to non-Jewish people.
- FridayoLeary 5y agoPrivate religious organisation != the state of Israel. While we are on the subject, did you know that it's illegal for an Arab in the self-governed parts of West Bank to sell land to a Jew? And that the official penalty for doing so is death? Also, take a look at the awful governments in West Bank and Gaza and how they abuse their citizens. You don't see hordes of opressed Israeli Arabs fleeing to the Gaza Strip do you?
- odiroot 5y ago[Citation needed] That's a very bold claim.
- snird 5y agoThis is a lie, and you have an agenda. The "United Arab List" is part of the current government (!) not of the parliament, but the government itself that is formed. Representing many Arabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List Anyone who repeats the lie of "apartheid" is either malinformed, or has some antisemitic agenda to pro
- snird 5y ago
- bobbylarrybobby 5y agoEven if someone were unfairly anti-Israel, why would that imply they’re also antisemitic?
- snird 5y agoIf he is not being malinformed, what other reason does he have to spread lies about Israel?
- SauciestGNU 5y agoCan residents of Gaza and the occupied West Bank vote in Israeli elections, when they are under Israeli rule? If the answer is no, then that's apartheid.
- sharikous 5y agoThat is occupation for you. Could residents in Iraq and Afghanistan vote in American elections, when they were under American rule?
- FridayoLeary 5y agoCan they vote in their own local government (Hamas and Fatah)? If no (it is) does that make them apartheid? Double standards or ignorance.