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It’s not that i dont agree but the Terraria example is a bit unfair. First this is issue of the platform. On other platforms you can choose version of the game.

It’s not that i dont agree but the Terraria example is a bit unfair. First this is issue of the platform. On other platforms you can choose version of the game. And second Terraria is example of probably one of the most supported games. The update you are talking about brings massive amount of content and updates completely for free 9 years!!! after release. Most companies would milk the product with third sequel and dozens DLCs by that time.

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suifbwish 5y ago
No it’s totally fair. They ruined the game by completely changing the controls irreversibly and making it unplayable on mobile.
gorjusborg 5y ago
I'm not trying to pick on Terraria, but I think it's a great example for the reasons you are bringing up. Even with the 'value add' of the update, I no longer play the game. Why? Because I invested in learning and mastering the game as it was when I bought it. The forced update removed all value for me, and I'm the one who made the decision to buy it. If the product is changed significantly after purchase without my consent, then I feel I should be able to revisit my decision to purchase it. Otherwise, it's a sort of bait-and-switch scheme.
- hfsh 5y ago
  > without my consent Not having read the TOS of the platform (or even ever having used it), I'll hazard a guess this isn't quite legally true.
  - gorjusborg 5y ago
    Not sure if you are intending to, but that only further illustrates how broken (in the favor of corporations) the current legal environment is. You are right in that there probably is a gotcha, you agreed clause in the text that is displayed after I have purchased the item. I also think the idea that is legally binding a farce. Imagine how popular buying things would be if people actually had to read those agreements.
    - salawat 5y ago
      >Imagine how popular buying things would be if people actually had to read those agreements. If you ever wondered why your elders are such sticks in the mud on this sort of thing, that is exactly why. Put a contract in front of most people and off they run for the hills. This is why the click through EULA was the best thing to ever happen to the legal profession.
    - f1refly 5y ago
      It has to be displayed before you buy the item, and it is. If you don't read the contracts you sign you only have yourself to blame. You also wouldn't go to a car dealership, skip the contract, sign it and expect good things to happen.
      - matheusmoreira 5y ago
        Does it even matter if we read these contracts? No one's going to negotiate terms with the billion dollar company and only lawyers will have a full understanding of the implications of what's written in these things anyway. This last fact alone should be enough to invalidate any consent. I mean, we're actually talking about "buying" games here. That's how insidious these things are. The few people who read this fine print will know that we're not really "buying" anything, we're being offered extremely limited licenses to the content. Can you blame consumers who fall prey to corporate deception? Marketing leads them to believe they're "buying" stuff. It's not really their fault when they become victims of corporate bullshit like remote content deletion. Nobody should have to consult lawyers before consuming. Let's summarize all company contracts in an easy to understand manner: 1. We can do whatever we want. 2. You can do nothing we don't want. 3. We own everything. 4. We guarantee nothing. 5. You have no rights. That does it. That's literally what all these little contracts boil down to. Every single time I read one it's just the above 5 points over and over in mind numbing legal language.
        emteycz 5y ago
        It matters. You can click decline. If more people read the contracts and clicked decline, perhaps they'd have to change the contract.
- pydave 5y ago
  The update isn't forced, you have automatic updates enabled on your ps4. Disable (Uncheck) automatic updates from [Settings] > [System] > [Automatic Downloads] You'll have to uninstall the game and reinstall it from your hard copy to get the original version of the game you remember. However, if you'd bought the digital version, you'd be out of luck.
- omnimus 5y ago
  I think it's how it's always been with software. It's ephemeral. When the devs have to keep up with the system updates etc. there is expectation that they keep working on software. I am sure they would love to just push something that would work forever. So much software that i bought stopped working. Even when you have "lifetime" license - eventually world moves on and you are without hardware to run the software. I am not saying it's right but i am also not sure how it can be solved.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    I would absolutely love to be able to push out software that just "works forever". And this is basically impossible on mobile by design these days. Hardware evolution isn't a big deal, actually, so long as you can emulate the old on the new. For example, all the old DOS games can still be made to work thanks to DOSBox and PCem. In principle, the same applies to software, except that it evolves too fast for such emulation layers to keep up.
rhn_mk1 5y ago
> brings massive amount of content and updates completely for free 9 years!!! Which can be a bad thing. The Minecraft I played first and the Minecraft I played recently are two different games, and I don't like how overpacked with stuff the new version is. Most game expansions - paid or not - follow the philosophy of "more of the same", rather than stopping somewhere between that and "less is more". Depending on the game, that can make it tedious.
- chadanon 5y ago
  Yup. I started playing Minecraft on Xbox 360 which my kids and I loved. We still love the game, but it's so different now, it's not the same game at all other than voxels and biome themes and some of the original music. We have a ship of Theseus situation. It's no longer the same game. I'd love to be able to pick a version to play like you can on PC.
account42 5y ago
> On other platforms you can choose version of the game. Which ones are those?

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suifbwish 5y ago

No it’s totally fair. They ruined the game by completely changing the controls irreversibly and making it unplayable on mobile.

gorjusborg 5y ago

I'm not trying to pick on Terraria, but I think it's a great example for the reasons you are bringing up. Even with the 'value add' of the update, I no longer play the game. Why? Because I invested in learning and mastering the game as it was when I bought it. The forced update removed all value for me, and I'm the one who made the decision to buy it. If the product is changed significantly after purchase without my consent, then I feel I should be able to revisit my decision to purchase it. Otherwise, it's a sort of bait-and-switch scheme.

hfsh 5y ago
> without my consent Not having read the TOS of the platform (or even ever having used it), I'll hazard a guess this isn't quite legally true.
- gorjusborg 5y ago
  Not sure if you are intending to, but that only further illustrates how broken (in the favor of corporations) the current legal environment is. You are right in that there probably is a gotcha, you agreed clause in the text that is displayed after I have purchased the item. I also think the idea that is legally binding a farce. Imagine how popular buying things would be if people actually had to read those agreements.
  - salawat 5y ago
    >Imagine how popular buying things would be if people actually had to read those agreements. If you ever wondered why your elders are such sticks in the mud on this sort of thing, that is exactly why. Put a contract in front of most people and off they run for the hills. This is why the click through EULA was the best thing to ever happen to the legal profession.
  - f1refly 5y ago
    It has to be displayed before you buy the item, and it is. If you don't read the contracts you sign you only have yourself to blame. You also wouldn't go to a car dealership, skip the contract, sign it and expect good things to happen.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      Does it even matter if we read these contracts? No one's going to negotiate terms with the billion dollar company and only lawyers will have a full understanding of the implications of what's written in these things anyway. This last fact alone should be enough to invalidate any consent. I mean, we're actually talking about "buying" games here. That's how insidious these things are. The few people who read this fine print will know that we're not really "buying" anything, we're being offered extremely limited licenses to the content. Can you blame consumers who fall prey to corporate deception? Marketing leads them to believe they're "buying" stuff. It's not really their fault when they become victims of corporate bullshit like remote content deletion. Nobody should have to consult lawyers before consuming. Let's summarize all company contracts in an easy to understand manner: 1. We can do whatever we want. 2. You can do nothing we don't want. 3. We own everything. 4. We guarantee nothing. 5. You have no rights. That does it. That's literally what all these little contracts boil down to. Every single time I read one it's just the above 5 points over and over in mind numbing legal language.
      - emteycz 5y ago
        It matters. You can click decline. If more people read the contracts and clicked decline, perhaps they'd have to change the contract.
pydave 5y ago
The update isn't forced, you have automatic updates enabled on your ps4. Disable (Uncheck) automatic updates from [Settings] > [System] > [Automatic Downloads] You'll have to uninstall the game and reinstall it from your hard copy to get the original version of the game you remember. However, if you'd bought the digital version, you'd be out of luck.
omnimus 5y ago
I think it's how it's always been with software. It's ephemeral. When the devs have to keep up with the system updates etc. there is expectation that they keep working on software. I am sure they would love to just push something that would work forever. So much software that i bought stopped working. Even when you have "lifetime" license - eventually world moves on and you are without hardware to run the software. I am not saying it's right but i am also not sure how it can be solved.
- int_19h 5y ago
  I would absolutely love to be able to push out software that just "works forever". And this is basically impossible on mobile by design these days. Hardware evolution isn't a big deal, actually, so long as you can emulate the old on the new. For example, all the old DOS games can still be made to work thanks to DOSBox and PCem. In principle, the same applies to software, except that it evolves too fast for such emulation layers to keep up.

rhn_mk1 5y ago

> brings massive amount of content and updates completely for free 9 years!!! Which can be a bad thing. The Minecraft I played first and the Minecraft I played recently are two different games, and I don't like how overpacked with stuff the new version is. Most game expansions - paid or not - follow the philosophy of "more of the same", rather than stopping somewhere between that and "less is more". Depending on the game, that can make it tedious.

chadanon 5y ago
Yup. I started playing Minecraft on Xbox 360 which my kids and I loved. We still love the game, but it's so different now, it's not the same game at all other than voxels and biome themes and some of the original music. We have a ship of Theseus situation. It's no longer the same game. I'd love to be able to pick a version to play like you can on PC.

account42 5y ago

> On other platforms you can choose version of the game. Which ones are those?