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Imagine some group that duplicates Pegasus/NSO -- compromises it but sells it AS Pegasus/NSO to unsuspecting, less-savvy nation-states and effectively uses /IT/

Imagine some group that duplicates Pegasus/NSO -- compromises it but sells it AS Pegasus/NSO to unsuspecting, less-savvy nation-states and effectively uses /IT/ to infiltrate/backdoor the intelligence/LEO ops of said customer state... Or is that what Pegasus/NSO basically already provide, as a feature?

beckman466 5y ago
> Or is that what Pegasus/NSO basically already provide, as a feature? considering shell are mainly used for deeply corrupt ends, this isn't a far stretch. similarly, things that seem like duopolies today might well be revealed to be monopolies in reality if actual ownership records became public. i imagine the false public perception of a market that has fair competition is very valuable as it maintains the illusion of choice. similarly, regarding spying by USA; i imagine Crypto AG was/isn't the only CIA front.
- beckman466 5y ago
  shell companies*
arminiusreturns 5y ago
Anyone interested in this should lookup the PROMIS scandal, which involved Ghislane Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell.
- samstave 5y ago
  And dont forget to look into the Maxwell Twins - the sisters of Ghislane --> They made initial DB software for the intel community for "tracking financial fraud" and other tracking... They sold this to .gov and supposedly it was in use in the early '00s - and it provided ostensibly access to tracking financial and human trafficking data.. Think of it as a precurser to palantir and such - and there was a bunch of shady shit around this. Here is just one sketchy story about it: https://oye.news/news/world-news/epstein-the-maxwell-sisters-and-the-fbis-counter-terrorism-database/ https://oye.news/news/world-news/epstein-the-maxwell-sisters... but apparently they made counter-terrorism software and that this software was in use in the US intel comm and that it was also compromised... Regardless of the truth of how it was used - the fact that the most notorious human trafficking/blackmailing operation yet exposed was directly related to providing counter-terrorism software to the USG is.... interesting. Google the maxwell twins.
  - sergers 5y ago
    I did google the Maxwell twins, clicking the second result. Got about halfway through before realising wrong twins.. lol
    - samstave 5y ago
      heh. Sorry, I obviously implied the maxwell twins (RELATED to Robert/Ghislaine) :-)
      - sergers 5y ago
        Yea I didn't clue in till I remembered u mentioned sisters, not brothers as the 1 article I clicked hah.

beckman466 5y ago

> Or is that what Pegasus/NSO basically already provide, as a feature? considering shell are mainly used for deeply corrupt ends, this isn't a far stretch. similarly, things that seem like duopolies today might well be revealed to be monopolies in reality if actual ownership records became public. i imagine the false public perception of a market that has fair competition is very valuable as it maintains the illusion of choice. similarly, regarding spying by USA; i imagine Crypto AG was/isn't the only CIA front.

beckman466 5y ago
shell companies*

arminiusreturns 5y ago

Anyone interested in this should lookup the PROMIS scandal, which involved Ghislane Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell.

samstave 5y ago
And dont forget to look into the Maxwell Twins - the sisters of Ghislane --> They made initial DB software for the intel community for "tracking financial fraud" and other tracking... They sold this to .gov and supposedly it was in use in the early '00s - and it provided ostensibly access to tracking financial and human trafficking data.. Think of it as a precurser to palantir and such - and there was a bunch of shady shit around this. Here is just one sketchy story about it: https://oye.news/news/world-news/epstein-the-maxwell-sisters-and-the-fbis-counter-terrorism-database/ https://oye.news/news/world-news/epstein-the-maxwell-sisters... but apparently they made counter-terrorism software and that this software was in use in the US intel comm and that it was also compromised... Regardless of the truth of how it was used - the fact that the most notorious human trafficking/blackmailing operation yet exposed was directly related to providing counter-terrorism software to the USG is.... interesting. Google the maxwell twins.
- sergers 5y ago
  I did google the Maxwell twins, clicking the second result. Got about halfway through before realising wrong twins.. lol
  - samstave 5y ago
    heh. Sorry, I obviously implied the maxwell twins (RELATED to Robert/Ghislaine) :-)
    - sergers 5y ago
      Yea I didn't clue in till I remembered u mentioned sisters, not brothers as the 1 article I clicked hah.