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So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, includin

So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. Whether this should surprise you I guess depends on your worldview; whether it should alarm or disturb you, especially if you are an Israeli or in Israel, I guess depends on your view of individual rights and the police.

myth_drannon 5y ago
It's more like police using Palantir or Clearview AI
- ummonk 5y ago
  It's nothing like that. Neither of those hack into people's phones. Edit: I guess you're pointing out that the spyware was developed by a private company rather than the Israeli equivalent of the NSA, which is true.
- xbar 5y ago
  Is it? I do not know anything about Israeli "Federal/State/County/Municipal" law enforcement jurisdictions to agree or disagree.
wswope 5y ago
> So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. In the US, we already have police using Stingray interceptors without warrants (and in a similar vein but less problematic, sweeping dragnet warrants issued to cell providers), which are slightly less invasive, but relatively comparable in terms of abuse potential. https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/stingray-tracking-devices-whos-got-them https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-...
cheeze 5y ago
Yes, it's like this. But in general, Mossad and Isreali intelligence have done whatever they wanted with no repercussions for a long time now. This is, IMO, nothing new.
suifbwish 5y ago
Faraday pockets
eli_gottlieb 5y ago
I certainly don't like it, but I'm not surprised by it. I sort of have to file it under people voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party getting terribly shocked and appalled when the leopard eats their face. Like yeah, you jerks all said it was "smolani masriach boged" (stinking traitor lefty) to not vote for transparently sleazy political parties and their STRONG LEADER. Well, I stuck with my stinking lefty treason and now your guy is facing jail time and my party are in charge of the Health Ministry tackling vaccine distribution. So there.

myth_drannon 5y ago

It's more like police using Palantir or Clearview AI

ummonk 5y ago
It's nothing like that. Neither of those hack into people's phones. Edit: I guess you're pointing out that the spyware was developed by a private company rather than the Israeli equivalent of the NSA, which is true.
xbar 5y ago
Is it? I do not know anything about Israeli "Federal/State/County/Municipal" law enforcement jurisdictions to agree or disagree.

wswope 5y ago

> So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. In the US, we already have police using Stingray interceptors without warrants (and in a similar vein but less problematic, sweeping dragnet warrants issued to cell providers), which are slightly less invasive, but relatively comparable in terms of abuse potential. https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/stingray-tracking-devices-whos-got-them https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-...

cheeze 5y ago

Yes, it's like this. But in general, Mossad and Isreali intelligence have done whatever they wanted with no repercussions for a long time now. This is, IMO, nothing new.

suifbwish 5y ago

Faraday pockets

eli_gottlieb 5y ago

I certainly don't like it, but I'm not surprised by it. I sort of have to file it under people voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party getting terribly shocked and appalled when the leopard eats their face. Like yeah, you jerks all said it was "smolani masriach boged" (stinking traitor lefty) to not vote for transparently sleazy political parties and their STRONG LEADER. Well, I stuck with my stinking lefty treason and now your guy is facing jail time and my party are in charge of the Health Ministry tackling vaccine distribution. So there.