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> I don't want that to be the government responsibility, as it then opens the door for it to be used in ways that limit our freedoms: a system that's too perfe

> I don't want that to be the government responsibility, as it then opens the door for it to be used in ways that limit our freedoms: a system that's too perfect can uniquely identify you, in ways that prevent disassociation (ex: the place of birth on the passport is of great interest to some totalitarian places, while only citizenship should matter..) You mean like social security numbers, which tell anyone where you were born, down to a fairly limited range of zipcodes? Or how about driver's license databases, which include your ethnicity, possibly your religion, etc? You think the guys in black helicopters are going to let a pesky little thing like "get the state's drivers license database" stop them, particularly when there's already a national clearing house system so states don't issue duplicate licenses, licenses to people who owe money or have had their license revoked, etc? General hand-wave-y conspiracies about national ID cards making it easier for everyone to be death-camped are just a right-wing attempt to harm federal government effectiveness so they can continue to hamstring everything it does and then shout about how ineffective it is and thus it needs to be cut. If the government wants to ship you off to gas chambers, it can do that just fine without a functional federal identity system and in the meantime everyone's lives would be significantly easier. Imagine if everything you did with local/state/federal government and healthcare no longer involved a page worth of identity crap, just presenting a free ID card.

csdvrx 5y ago
> You mean like social security numbers, which tell anyone where you were born, down to a fairly limited range of zipcodes? Indeed, I want none of that. I wish I could ask the SS to delete my registration and let me deal with the consequences. > You think the guys in black helicopters are going to let a pesky little thing like "get the state's drivers license database" stop them It may be nothing much, but anything that can make the work of a potential abusive government HARDER should be done. > particularly when there's already a national clearing house system so states don't issue duplicate licenses, licenses to people who owe money or have had their license revoked, etc? And you nail it: with the system I proposed, there would be duplicates, and people owning money etc. It'd be messy. And that's good: because that's where freedom is often found, in messy systems.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  You’re an outlier in your belief systems. People don’t want messy, they want convenience and assurances.
  - csdvrx 5y ago
    > You’re an outlier in your belief systems. People don’t want messy, they want convenience and assurances. It seems to me that people care more and more about their privacy. As for convenience, most people I know use an iphone with an android tablet and a windows computer, so by revealed preferences I'd say their actions speak louder than their words.

csdvrx 5y ago

> You mean like social security numbers, which tell anyone where you were born, down to a fairly limited range of zipcodes? Indeed, I want none of that. I wish I could ask the SS to delete my registration and let me deal with the consequences. > You think the guys in black helicopters are going to let a pesky little thing like "get the state's drivers license database" stop them It may be nothing much, but anything that can make the work of a potential abusive government HARDER should be done. > particularly when there's already a national clearing house system so states don't issue duplicate licenses, licenses to people who owe money or have had their license revoked, etc? And you nail it: with the system I proposed, there would be duplicates, and people owning money etc. It'd be messy. And that's good: because that's where freedom is often found, in messy systems.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
You’re an outlier in your belief systems. People don’t want messy, they want convenience and assurances.
- csdvrx 5y ago
  > You’re an outlier in your belief systems. People don’t want messy, they want convenience and assurances. It seems to me that people care more and more about their privacy. As for convenience, most people I know use an iphone with an android tablet and a windows computer, so by revealed preferences I'd say their actions speak louder than their words.